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"Humans are flawed their creations are flawed, the earlier we realize that and act on it the better we become and the less the flaws in both ourselves and our creations ...."

 

It doesn't. It would take quite a stretch of the imagination to classify the average receptionist or paper-pusher working in a government building as a 'thug.' Let's not get just plain silly, OK?

I spent twenty years fighting the IRS over a tax bil -- one that eventually amounted to $28,000 before they finally conceded this year, and actually refunded over $10,000 they had grabbed from me here and there. Without me ever hiring a lawyer, by the way.

Intellectuals? No. Irritating? Yes. But were the people I dealt with 'thugs'? Not a damned one of them. No one even hinted at breaking my kneecaps. They were all as courteous and patient as though they'd been right instead of wrong.

 

"November 2 is Take out the trash day"

For those voting liberal or Democrat, please dont forget to flush the Booth when you leave!

 

there is an expression i like "the banality of evil"

men that do evil things seem so ordinary in appearance and demeanor

 

So, Thudpucker, what social advance has the conservative movement of any era fostered or promoted? Given the necessity of the 22 amendment, I'll give you the 18th, but other then this, what advance has society in this country made under conservative ideals? Name just one social step forward in this country, advanced by the right wing? We don't move forward on conservative ideals folks, we move forward by adapting, changing and adjusting our ideas and concepts about life, government, social values, etc. This arrogant level of disheveled change, happens repeatedly in this country. Every 10 to 12 years this country rewrites it's ideas, concepts and principles. We have historically and repeatedly invented new and improved versions of this country, since it's conception. This is the reason we've risen to world dominance, it's the reason we've not had to disassemble the government and on the only occasion we tried, we very quickly reassembled ourselves into the new, reinvented train of thought, much unlike any other nation that had gone through a civil discourse. Conservative values are little more then the wealthy and old, attempting to give one last spanking to the up and coming generations, usually in an effort to maintenance their hold of money or influence. Fortunately, the young out live the "too fixed in their ways, can't see the future for the past" old farts and society moves on to the next set of issues.

"The most essential element of all existence is change." Without this fundamental and undeniable fact, the dinosaurs would still be here and we'd be nothing more then surprisingly intelligent mole like creatures with an opposing thumb, crawling around in the rocks, trying to not get eaten or stepped on.

 

PAR, I'm surprised at your response. Arent you a businessman? Do you enjoy paying other peoples expenses? You like the liberals?

By "conservatives" I'm going to assume you meant the Republicans.

We "Conservatives" want everybody to be Rich. We want you all to have lots of money to spend. We don't want to make you feel guilty for having so much and some have so little. The Lib's are experts at that tactic.

Every time you put somebody to work we are happy with you. Earn more, get rich, we wont tax you like ZeroBama and the Lib's are going to.

Every job in this United States and moreover the rest of the world that does business with the Capitalists of the U.S. owes it's existence to the Graduated Income tax schedules of the U.S. Brought to you by the Conservatives who want to be rich.

That allows a Tax deduction for the worker, the things the Capitalists buy, and all the business expenses such as Utilities which also put more people to work.
The Capitalists brought the world the Graduated income tax so they could make more money. Thank you Henry Ford et al.

The Lib's on the other hand, spew out Rumors, Spins and Innuendo to help the poor thinkers believe they are going to get a helping hand from the Democrats.
Way too much money has been taken from the Achievers, so the Democrats could use it to buy votes from the underachievers.

ZeroBama has spent us bankrupt on his pet contributors. Are we any better off?
Can anybody say the Conservatives have ever cost us as much as the Liberals?

 

a decade of bush and his Conservatives sure moved the country forward

the country has prospered more under democratic leadership than under republican leadership since ww2, that's the numbers

now if you want to be conservative because of your social views that's one thing but to say the country does better under them is another and patently false

clinton averaged 250,000 new jobs a month, how did bush do?

you can have concentration of wealth or you can have freedom, you can't have both.

 

Bla Bla Bla.

 

whatever you do, don't allow reason to clutter your mind, you wouldn't be the hoy we all know and love

 

Well, I'm not surprised you couldn't answer any of my questions. No conservative can, because they don't want society to advance. They prefer protectionism. Of course this is protection of the rich.

This is a classic retort and fools consideration as it's an impossibility. When this country was at it's height of influence and power, we had a middle class that worked hard and literally was the engine that drove the country. The wealthy have sold us down the river and done so with clever little catch phrases that worked the times, but not the reality of social advance.

These rich have sold our manufacturing base to the lowest bidder over seas, and now we're all stuck with China, India and Mexico's unemployment problems. That's conservative power, "let the free market sort it out". Every main street in every small town in this country is dead or nearly so as a result of this "let business sort it out" mentality. There's no more corner hardware store or pharmacy, nor a shoe repair or book store either. They've been merged with CVS, Wal-Mart, Books-a-Million, Ace Hardware and the little sandwich store on the other corner is now a McDonalds. Yea, the market sorted it out all right. These companies have wiped out middle America, all under the corporate umbrella of conservative protectionism. You can bet the congressmen were well lubed in the process.

30 years ago was the beginning of the last conservative movement with trickle down economics and reduced government. Unfortunately, the lip service that got that particular bone head reelected, also caused our national dept to triple. So, much for the BS of small government under conservative rule. In fact, if you take the amounts that the conservatives added to the dept and compare it to the same that the so called liberals added and it's not a fair race, as the conservatives far exceed in spending what the liberals did, since Regan. This isn't speculation, but part of national history.

Trickle down economics didn't trickle down, it stayed where it was placed, at the feet of the wealthy. This isn't speculation, it's easily looked up and documented as precisely what has happened. The same is true of the "Contract for America" class of conservative boneheads that came in with the 1994 election, one quite similar to this one. So, how'd that work out for the conservatives? Damn near all of the new members of congress on the conservative wave that was rushed in that year have now served their jail terms or left the party in disgrace.

The conservatives in the last 18 months have shamelessly held up the recovery of this country's economy for political gain and they should all be held accountable for this fact. They've conducted themselves so badly over the last 10 years, that there's now a movement within their own ranks, to return to even more harebrained right wing ideas.

The authoritarianism mentality of the latest group should be a clear warning as to the ridiculousness of this movement. When Sara Palin is the "chosen one" and the likes of Sharon Angle, McDonnall, Paul, Rubio, please you can't generate enough spin to wash the crap off these folks, they are literally nut jobs and if they win, it'll just mean more GOP nut jobs in congress, which is just what we need. Hell the chosen one couldn't even finish her term as a Governor and didn't even know where Africa ranked, likely couldn't find it on a map, because see couldn't see it from her front porch. Any party with Sara Paylin as it head should shutter itself, because reality isn't their long suit. She's as dumb as a stump and you can spin stupid all you want, it still comes up as dumb as a stump..

 

You're a very confused man, on top of being somewhat hateful and ignorant of history and economics. Capitalist and conservative are two very different words with two different meanings, and you can't simply interchange the two. It's quite possible to be a liberal capitalist.

Whether you're a capitalist or not, or just a wanna-be hanger-on, I couldn't say. But you definitely fit my definition of a modern 'conservative.' That would be someone who can't open his mouth for two minutes without using the term 'liberal' as a smear and an insult, and blaming all the troubles of today and yesteryear on them.

 

gee par, they ain't gonna buy boats from you

you can't tell the truth and get away with it

 

So, Thudpucker, what social advance has the conservative movement of any era fostered or promoted?
Sorry PAR I didn’t realize you were asking a question. I thought you were taunting me.
Education for one. Remember a guy named Thomas Jefferson? His contribution was a free Education for every American citizen. Conservatism at its best and no Liberal ever gave it any credit at all.
Name just one social step forward in this country, advanced by the right wing? We don't move forward on conservative ideals folks, we move forward by adapting, changing and adjusting our ideas and concepts about life, government, social values, etc.
By ‘social’ you are implying Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment compensation, Welfare, and Social Security?
As soon as those funds began to develop, the Democrats began to raid them.
Surely you must know the Democrats moved the Social Security fund to the General fund? That’s a step backwards PAR. That allowed the Democrats to use the Social Security income to finance more vote buying from people who didn’t pay into the social security funds.

Your thoughts on the fall of our economy are way off base.
The Gold Rush was on by the early 30’s, but Roosevelt stopped our trading with Japan at the outset of WWII.

After the war the Importing of Cheap Jap goods started the gold rush.
Harry S Truman saw to that.

The American consumer began to buy the Cheap imported goods, soon the American employer could no longer compete with the Cheap foreign goods because of the Labor unions and some Government taxes drove the cost of Manufacturing way too high.

The Labor union people themselves extorted more money from the Employer in the USA while buying the Cheaper Foreign goods at the Retail level. The Union member themselves caused the Employers to look into moving the Factories offshore.

Anything you can say the Liberals have done for Americans was only done because the Conservatives were working, paying taxes, and enjoying capitalism, and the Liberals were taking the tax money to buy votes with promises.

Poor people have been voting for Liberals for a long time and they are still poor!

Troy, I know you want what you said to be true, but its not. In fact the Hateful spin on things was, and still is, the Democrats province.
The pinnacle peak of that was the Michael Dukakis campaign. Look at the Smear they put on Sarah Palin. Sadly, some people want to believe lies and innuendo as the truth without looking at any facts at all.

 

what smear on palin?

since when is the truth a smear?

it was palin that couldn't answer questions

 

What questions did she not answer?

How about the "bridge to nowhere"? That was a huge smear.
When you know what your talking about, come on back with some facts.