ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

[fredsnotdead]

Did you ever see that show called Doomsday Preppers? They spent all of their time hoarding food to not eat, some of which they added to when they went on their weekly trip to the grocery store to buy food to eat.

They couldn't see the forest because of the tree in front of them. But hey, it adds to the GDP, but then again so does cancer treatment.

[mydauphin]

The problem is that when shtf thenyou have to defend your gold, chicken and even water.

[fredsnotdead]

I don't totally agree with that statement. Yes, there will be hysterical people, and some will act very irrationally, but a large percentage or majority will be too scared to do anything, good or bad. Water? No because in the most densely populated areas it's fed by gravity, until of course the bulk supply runs out, but that could and would be rationed to alleviate that. I don't think that I would want it to be known that I even had gold, but once you try to use it for bartering the secrets out. Then you may have to defend it.

A couple of years ago the topic of martial law was constantly being thrown around like it was going to happen the following day. A simple run of the numbers for 2-3 seconds in my head dispelled that myth whenever I heard it. Basically, who was going to enforce the martial law declaration throughout the whole nation, in every village, town, city, county, and state?

[ImaginaryNumber]

Relative outcomes of climate change mitigation related to global temperature versus sea-level rise

Nature Climate Change
Published online: 01 July 2012

Abstract
There is a common perception that, if human societies make the significant adjustments necessary to substantively cut emissions of greenhouse gases, global temperature increases could be stabilized, and the most dangerous consequences of climate change could be avoided. Here we show results from global coupled climate model simulations with the new representative concentration pathway mitigation scenarios to 2300 to illustrate that, with aggressive mitigation in two of the scenarios, globally averaged temperature increase indeed could be stabilized either below 2 °C or near 3 °C above pre-industrial values. However, even as temperatures stabilize, sea level would continue to rise. With little mitigation, future sea-level rise would be large and continue unabated for centuries. Though sea-level rise cannot be stopped for at least the next several hundred years, with aggressive mitigation it can be slowed down, and this would buy time for adaptation measures to be adopted.

Our intention here is to relate the rate of future global temperature change from the representative concentration pathway (RCP) mitigation scenarios to possible future sea-level rise to draw attention to the under-appreciated differences involved with temperature mitigation versus sea-level rise mitigation. Given the huge uncertainties involved with ice-sheet stability — which would directly affect how much sea-level rise could occur and how fast — and the questions regarding appropriateness of the different methods used to derive future sea-level rise1, we provide illustrative ranges of possible future sea-level rise to highlight the mitigation problem.

[Yobarnacle]

sea level rising? buy or build a boat.
those who don';t, must learn to tread water foir an extended period of time.!

[mydauphin]

That is why we all have boats... In case of rising water, I have scuba tanks to find stuff in New York City... What is problem? And it is going to get warmer so I won't have to worry about freezing winters or my water heater not working.

[Yobarnacle]

the REAL problem is lack of sunscreen when the arctic is a tropical sea and society colapses.
But, if we take a clue from nature, hippopatamii and hogs like a good mud wallowing?
With sea level rising, should be no lack of fine mud wallows.
adapt. adapt.

[ImaginaryNumber]

When it comes to pig-headed ideas, this thread certainly has plenty of suggestions. And speaking of pigging out --

The Connection Between Obesity and Climate Change

Musings of an Energy Nerd (Jul 13 2012)

Now researchers are focusing on another feedback loop affecting the global climate: obesity. Here’s how the loop works: when people walk less and drive more, they gain weight. Once they’ve gained weight, they are even less inclined to walk. (Heavier people are more likely to drive and less likely to walk than people who aren’t overweight.) Once this positive feedback loop starts, the number of miles driven continues to increase — and so does the amount of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere.

The issue is discussed in a paper by Phil Edwards and Ian Roberts, two researchers from the Department of Epidemiology and Population Health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. Their paper, Population Adiposity and Climate Change, was published in The International Journal of Epidemiology...

It turns out that the driving-versus-walking feedback loop is only one of many ways by which obesity worsens global climate change. Among the other factors:

Overweight people require more food every day, and the extra food requires fossil-fuel energy for its production, packaging, transport, and refrigeration. The Weight of Nations: An Estimation of Adult Human Biomass...

Overweight people require more fossil-fuel energy per mile to transport, whether by car, bus, train, or plane. Worried About Climate Change? Fix Obesity...

In a Climatewire article discussing Dr. Walpole’s paper, Umair Irfan writes, “If the rest of the world ate, worked and lived like Americans, humanity’s spare tire would swell by the equivalent mass of 935 million average-sized people and soak up the food, water, and electricity of an additional 473 million adults, according to the report. This would mean the average adult would eat an additional 261 calories per day.”

In their The International Journal of Epidemiology paper, Edwards and Roberts calculated that an overweight population requires 19% more food energy than a population with a healthy BMI. They also calculated that lean population of 1 billion people would emit 1,000 million metric tons less carbon dioxide per year than a fat population of the same size.

Global climate change is an unfortunate side-effect of affluence. Compared to the average human, North Americans are wealthier and live in larger houses; we're also fatter...

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

the REAL problem is lack of sunscreen when the arctic is a tropical sea and society colapses.
But, if we take a clue from nature, hippopatamii and hogs like a good mud wallowing?
With sea level rising, should be no lack of fine mud wallows.
adapt. adapt.

Yobi --thats the first most sensible thing you've posted --Ille try that tomorrow before my interview as a bank manager.

[Yobarnacle]

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/conten...urcetype=HWCIT

ADEQUATELY PROVES THE ARGUMENT. IF YOU ARE A SCIENTIST AND NEED FUNDING, NOT BECAUSE THE TOPIC IS URGEANT, BUT TO GET A PAY CHECK, BE SURE AND INCLUDE "CLIMATE CHANGE" IN YOUR RESEARCH TOPIC.

Disgusting.
The eco nuts are taking over the world!
And they will make the world worse!

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Yobi --thats the first most sensible thing you've posted --Ille try that tomorrow before my interview as a bank manager.

Really? i thought my navigation threads were more valuable. They were serious!

[powerabout]

have to agree, plenty of shopping centers, that is ones made up of lots of shops in Houston dont have a sidewalk so you have to drive to each shop you visit, weird?

[mydauphin]

That is why they invented shopping mall, so you can walk around in AC on a Sunday when it is too hot to be boating.

[ImaginaryNumber]

Global warming is shrinking plants

The Bunsen Burner | Stacey Pounsberry | Thursday, July 05, 2012
For the first time, scientists have begun study the effects of global warming on plant species morphology. University of Adelaide researchers have found that some Australian plants are narrowing their leaves in response to changes in climate. Lead author of the paper, Dr. Greg Guerin, says, “Climate change is often discussed in terms of future impacts, but changes in temperature over recent decades have already been ecologically significant.”

According to Dr. Guerin, “Climate change is driving adaptive shifts within plant species and leaf shape has demonstrated adaptive significance in relation to climate...”

Dr. Geurin says some species rely heavily on migrating to more friendly climates—problematic in an environment fragmented by human activity...

[mydauphin]

Who pays for all thus crap research? Why do I call it crap? Research involves having control groups. How can you have a controlled group outside of unanimous intervention as a long term study to compare your local plants too. Plants migration, LOL. They don't migrate, they procreate. I guess if they are procreating across the street they are not doing so bad.