ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

[ImaginaryNumber]

Originally Posted by mydauphin

I don't see an easy solution.

Sadly, true.

By the way the articles you mention have a large numbers of could, may, should, projected, perhaps. Perhaps a few more facts would be in order.

It's always a question whether to post sensational easy-to-read articles written by journalists, or the more measured and careful articles that are typical of the scientific community. Googling "ocean acidification" yields many links. NOAA offers the following links for further understanding:

Links to OA Information

Follow the links below to find more information about ocean acidification

The links below include informational websites, frequently asked questions about ocean acidification, interviews with scientists, resources for educators, and scientific reports. There are also links to our partners. For a comprehensive list, see our Partners page.

Brochures, FAQs, and Reports
NOAA Ocean and Great Lakes Acidification Research Plan: Full Plan or Highlights
NOAA OA fact sheet
Ocean Acidification Task Force Report
Ocean Acidification: The Facts (available in 5 languages)
Ocean Acidification: Questions Answered (available in 5 languages)
A Summary for Policymakers from the Second Symposium on the Ocean in a High-CO2 World
Impacts of Ocean Acidification on Coral Reefs and Other Marine Calcifiers
OCB White Paper on Ocean Acidification
Guide to best practices for ocean acidification research and data reporting
Oceanography Special Issue on the Future of Ocean Biogeochemistry in a High-CO2 World
Federal Ocean Acidification Research and Monitoring Act of 2009
National Research Council report on ocean acidification
EPA Integrated Reporting and Listing Decisions Related to Ocean Acidification
WWF Magazine The Circle special issue on ocean acidification

A Short Video Clip from the documentary A Sea Change

Video of Ocean Acidification Demonstration
NOAA OA Demonstration

Other Multi-media Links
Sea Grant Interviews with Richard Feely
JISAO Science in 180
Ocean Acidification on Science On a Sphere®
NPR's Justice Talking Interview with Christopher Sabine

Informational Websites
Interagency Working Group on Ocean Acidification
OCB ocean acidification website
EPOCA ocean acidification website and blog
The Ocean in a High-CO2 World
NANOOS ocean acidification website
California Current Acidification Network (C-CAN)
Ocean Acidification Impacts on Shellfish Workshop
NOAA National Marine Sanctuaries
Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary
NOAA Coral Reef Conservation Program
NOAA Coral Reef Watch
NOAA's Aquarius Reef Base
National Research Council
USGS ocean acidification website
EPA ocean acidification website
SOLAS/IMBER Ocean Acidification Working Group
BIOACID
UK Ocean Acidification Research Programme
Australian Antarctic Division
COMPASS
Lab and teaching modules: Stanford, OCB, University of Hawaii, National Science Teachers Association
Animated film by the students of the Ridgeway School in Plymouth, UK
Informational film by Plymouth Marine Laboratory: Ocean acidification: Connecting science, industry, policy and public

Associated Stories
What is Ocean Acidification -- OA is the change in ocean chemistry as a result of increased carbon dioxide emissions ...

Strategy for OA Observation -- PMEL is developing a global network of ocean acidification observations ...

OA Observations and Data -- Links to our ocean acidification data sets...

OA Research -- We seek to understand how OA affects the chemistry of the oceans and its marine ecosystems ...

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mydauphin

On Honesty, Let's make a poll and see what do people think.

People have become experts at dishonesty.

When you buy your Cranberry juice, read the label it says 100% juice.
You assume that is 100% Cranberry juice, instead it is filtered water, corn syrup, grape juice, other juices and then some Cranberry juice. At least there is a label.

When you go to a doctor or hospital, they don't tell you how much a procedure is, or if its is really necessary, they pad the bills.

When a public company files paperwork, how many are really honest about what the company foresees in their futures. They manipulate the numbers to make things look better than they are. Can you really trust their disclosures.

When the newspapers publish a story, do they publish everything, or what they want you to know to push the story one way or another.

And when people post information or claims on the internet everything is true, right?

Or who do you believe in the Secret services 12 agents vs the prostitutes?

And do you believe in the Churches or Universities that they had no ideas on the child sexual abuse right under their noses.

Now government, Do you believe either the Democrats or Republicans in power to tell you the truth about anything. They lie all day long.

Do you believe the UN and there money hungry corrupt NGOs. They have such a clean record on corrupt and abuse don't they.


So tell me who is honest, yes there is still some honest people, but very few honest institutions.

Oh, you probably everything Obama says and Al Gore, they are such angels.

Honesty is gone, along with modesty, chastity and selfless love.

What you're spouting is the philosophy, religion and politics of despair, well seasoned with contempt for your fellow man. It falls somewhere between teen angst and clinical depression, and I don't like it. I'm not interested in wallowing around in such rubbish, or feeling sorry for myself because I live in such a horrible world.

If that's what you want to do, I'll get out of your way so you can get back to it. But I think you'd be better off calming down, and perhaps reading this once or twice a day until it sinks in a bit:

Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

Desiderata, by Max Ehrmann (1872–1945)

[Silver Raven]

Hey Troy - WHAT YOU SAID every day of everyones whole life. Thanks for that. I'll say my 2 'creeds' at some later time. I'll not spoil what you quoted. - 'Desiderata' - for it is prose - for all time & all people. Ciao, james

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

What you're spouting is the philosophy, religion and politics of despair, well seasoned with contempt for your fellow man. It falls somewhere between teen angst and clinical depression, and I don't like it. I'm not interested in wallowing around in such rubbish, or feeling sorry for myself because I live in such a horrible world.

If that's what you want to do, I'll get out of your way so you can get back to it. But I think you'd be better off calming down, and perhaps reading this once or twice a day until it sinks in a bit:

All have sinned. I have to agree with My Dauphin's remarks.
Politicians are wolves in sheep's clothing and lie their way into office. UN is a pile of baratas all wanting into our cupboards so they can steal and defile. Warmnologists same same, wanting to have us live in the middle ages. I notice they themselves live the high style though jetting about like they think they are more important than we are. They lack any semblance of humility.

[ImaginaryNumber]

Thanks

Originally Posted by troy2000

Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

Desiderata, by Max Ehrmann (1872–1945)

[ImaginaryNumber]

Dumping Iron Into Oceans Could Sink Carbon, Slow Global Warming

International Science Times|Chelsea Whyte|July 20, 2012 -- An international team of scientists has finally published the results of a 2004 experiment to fertilize oceans with iron in an effort to reduce the carbon at the surface of the water and potentially slow global warming...

The study was the first convincing evidence that carbon, absorbed by algae, can sink to the ocean bed. If this organic matter settles into the deep ocean, it may not reach the surface for centuries or millennia, depending on ocean circulation, lead researcher Victor Smetacek said, according to CBS News...

But that doesn't mean this process is the solution to global warming. It's a controversial technique because there are concerns about the effects on marine life or the possibilities of spurring a toxic algae bloom as opposed to a benign one...

The data suggest iron fertilization could trap only about 10 percent of current carbon dioxide emissions "under very, very optimistic assumptions," study co-author Dieter Wolf-Gladrow of the Wegener Institute said...

For similar articles see also:
Christian Science Monitor - Dumping iron in the ocean could slow global warming, say scientists
CBS News - Fertilizing iron in oceans could trap carbon dioxide
Reuters - Fertilizing oceans with iron dust helps sink carbon
National Geographic Magazine - Pumping Up Plankton
NY Times - A Way to Trap Carbon Deep in the Ocean

[ImaginaryNumber]

Wood burning power plants may hurt global warming fight

Globe|Beth Daley|June 10, 2010 -- Burning wood to generate electricity can be worse for global warming than burning coal, according to a Massachusetts-sponsored study released yesterday...

Wood-burning has been promoted as a “green” energy source because growing forests can absorb the same amount of greenhouse gases that are emitted from burning wood, essentially canceling out the pollutants. But the Manomet study shows that wood burning releases more heat-trapping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere per unit of energy than oil, coal, or natural gas.

What's more, that increase in greenhouse gases can take a far longer time for forests to absorb than previously thought -- a generation or more in many cases. If a wood-burning power plant replaces a coal-fired one, it can take about 20 years before any net benefits are realized. It can take more than 90 years if a wood-burning plant replaces a natural gas plant...

Wood burning stoves cause global warming

The Telegraph|Louise Gray|26 Apr 2011 -- Wood burning stoves are helping to fuel global warming, according to a new report from the United Nations, that calls on households to replace old fashioned fires with more efficient models. The report from the UN Environment Programme found ‘black carbon’ from burning wood or diesel cars is a major factor in short term “climate forcing”.

Most of the problem is caused by dirty industry in the developing world like brick kilns or simple cooking stoves. However more than 300,000 tonnes of black carbon emissions in Europe and North America comes from burning wood.

The report, funded by the Government of Sweden, suggested that cutting down on black carbon and methane emissions could reduce global warming by up to 0.4C between now and 2040...The report found the biggest reduction in black carbon would come from replacing smoky cookers in the developing world with fan assisted stoves, gas ovens or even solar...

[mydauphin]

Originally Posted by troy2000

What you're spouting is the philosophy, religion and politics of despair, well seasoned with contempt for your fellow man. It falls somewhere between teen angst and clinical depression, and I don't like it. I'm not interested in wallowing around in such rubbish, or feeling sorry for myself because I live in such a horrible world.

If that's what you want to do, I'll get out of your way so you can get back to it. But I think you'd be better off calming down, and perhaps reading this once or twice a day until it sinks in a bit:

I love the Desiderata, it was shown to me by my yoga instructor. It is good to hear every once is a while. I also read a lot of Buddha But you are making many assumptions on my mental state. I am a highly educated retired federal government agent that ran several international businesses. I have been all over world and been involved with several hemispheric congresses where said politicos did absolutely nothing to solve the worlds problems. They did eat and drink a lot. I am neither Republican or Democrat, I am a libertarian, that believe the Constitution is a well written document to prevent the oppression of people by its governing class and that government at best is a necessary evil.

I do believe that the worlds problems can be solved, not by God or the devil but by humans. I am a non-theist, and believe the world is less honest and more immoral than before. And religion has nothing to do with it. But like all great societies, when life becomes too easy, they fall apart. Mankind seems to need struggles and war, and it is man eat man out there.

World history is not pretty, and perhaps we are no worse than the past. I accept the world we live in, but I won't fool myself into thinking that everyone is good out there. There are just enough bad people that you have to watch your back every minute of the day.

So if you don't believe me; give your money to a stockbroker to manage, your children to a coach or priest, and your blind vote to a politician, and your wife to your best friend, you would be better off trusting the used car salesman.

The first way to fix a problem is to really understand the source. Hang the politicians, bureaucrats, and their minions then the rest of the lawyers.

We have created a world that doesn't work, it is dying under its own weight, and the solution these people come up with is more regulations, spending and more bureaucracy. It is like curing a cancer with more cancer. We need to get ride of half of the federal government and disconnect ourselves from the UN completely. If not the US will go broke and our states will separate from the central burdensome federal government. If you think that can't happen, it happened in the USSR. We are head straight there, Obama believes in the USSR model, not the US model of running a country.

I think the long term prognosis of the world is good, but it is going to be a tough 50-100 years. I may or may not be around to see things changes. Is it going to take a complete collapse of our country or society before it fixes itself? Will a religious war happen? Will Iran attack? Will Russia mount a reunification war? Will China show its teeth? Will the world economy just finally collapse? I can tell you many scenarios that could happen, none good, all more likely than flooding or all the global warming stuff.

Have you notice how people in prior decades were always saying the future is going to be great, with flying cars and stuff. Now it is all about global warning, co2, using less gas. Surviving....Where is my flying car? May be never. In the world of the future, it isn't a brave new world, it is making do with less. And all this because the government is wasting our money on padding someones pockets.

As the surveillance drones fly around my head, and my screen is watching me, The true enemy is those that use misinformation to trick and fool the mass into submission and accept being dominated. And soon you may not know the truth from their fiction. The history books will be rewritten. So keep posting their propaganda - it is all there for a purpose, and its prophets their tools.

[Frosty]

Why is the middle east hotter than the far east. The middle east is further north than where I am and sometimes I live just above the equator near Singapore. It is no where near the soaring temperatures of the middle east. Bagdad today is experiencing 50 degrees (BBC weather )

The middle east has no trees,--is it as simple as that ,---yes.

[alanrockwood]

I'm offering tinfoil hats for sale. I'm running an introductory special this week. Is anyone interested?

[Frosty]

Tin foil!!!! isnt that what you cook a turkey in.

A hat made of leafs or leaves would be cooler.

I keep cool by drinking beer,--slurp -ahhhh I sometimes spill a bit down my shirt and this attracts girls but it also evaporates on the skin and cools the blood --like a Hippopotamus in mud.

There is even a song about it and it goes,-- mud mud glorious mud nothing quite like it for cooling the blood so follow me follow down to the pub and where we shall wallow in glorious mud.

Im not sure about the pub bit. I mean you cant get a hippos in a pub can you, slurp ahhh.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mydauphin

I love the Desiderata, it was shown to me by my yoga instructor. It is good to hear every once is a while. I also read a lot of Buddha But you are making many assumptions on my mental state. I am a highly educated retired federal government agent that ran several international businesses. I have been all over world and been involved with several hemispheric congresses where said politicos did absolutely nothing to solve the worlds problems. They did eat and drink a lot. I am neither Republican or Democrat, I am a libertarian, that believe the Constitution is a well written document to prevent the oppression of people by its governing class and that government at best is a necessary evil.

I do believe that the worlds problems can be solved, not by God or the devil but by humans. I am a non-theist, and believe the world is less honest and more immoral than before. And religion has nothing to do with it. But like all great societies, when life becomes too easy, they fall apart. Mankind seems to need struggles and war, and it is man eat man out there.

World history is not pretty, and perhaps we are no worse than the past. I accept the world we live in, but I won't fool myself into thinking that everyone is good out there. There are just enough bad people that you have to watch your back every minute of the day.

So if you don't believe me; give your money to a stockbroker to manage, your children to a coach or priest, and your blind vote to a politician, and your wife to your best friend, you would be better off trusting the used car salesman.

The first way to fix a problem is to really understand the source. Hang the politicians, bureaucrats, and their minions then the rest of the lawyers.

We have created a world that doesn't work, it is dying under its own weight, and the solution these people come up with is more regulations, spending and more bureaucracy. It is like curing a cancer with more cancer. We need to get ride of half of the federal government and disconnect ourselves from the UN completely. If not the US will go broke and our states will separate from the central burdensome federal government. If you think that can't happen, it happened in the USSR. We are head straight there, Obama believes in the USSR model, not the US model of running a country.

I think the long term prognosis of the world is good, but it is going to be a tough 50-100 years. I may or may not be around to see things changes. Is it going to take a complete collapse of our country or society before it fixes itself? Will a religious war happen? Will Iran attack? Will Russia mount a reunification war? Will China show its teeth? Will the world economy just finally collapse? I can tell you many scenarios that could happen, none good, all more likely than flooding or all the global warming stuff.

Have you notice how people in prior decades were always saying the future is going to be great, with flying cars and stuff. Now it is all about global warning, co2, using less gas. Surviving....Where is my flying car? May be never. In the world of the future, it isn't a brave new world, it is making do with less. And all this because the government is wasting our money on padding someones pockets.

As the surveillance drones fly around my head, and my screen is watching me, The true enemy is those that use misinformation to trick and fool the mass into submission and accept being dominated. And soon you may not know the truth from their fiction. The history books will be rewritten. So keep posting their propaganda - it is all there for a purpose, and its prophets their tools.

I don't need to make any 'assumptions' about your state of mind; you're an articulate man and you've stated it quite clearly.

I completely disagree with your claims that people and institutions are less trustworthy than they used to be. Fact is, we're just becoming more aware of problems, because of better communications and more connectivity. As it has always done, the human race fumbles along, taking almost as many steps backwards and sideways as it does forward. But we're making progress and the world is becoming a better place for the average person, even if you can't see it or won't admit it.

More people are getting fed; more people are getting medical care and surviving diseases and injuries that used to kill; life expectancy worldwide is increasing; the world has become a less violent place with fewer wars and fewer people dying in them.

Don't believe that one? Here: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article..._war?page=full

I personally think climate change is going to put some serious strains on the world and its people, and that the strains will be worse because of denial and failure to cope with it in the short term. But I have no doubt we'll survive it in the long run anyway....

I'm no Pollyanna, and I certainly don't believe we're living in the best of all possible worlds. But your negativity, doom and gloom, and complaints about how low people have sunk are unnecessary, untrue and unhelpful.
Maybe you should spend a little less energy telling us what's wrong with the world, and a little more doing your bit to straighten it out?

[RayThackeray]

The situation just gets more horrifying by the day. I'm coming to the conclusion that if I can get another 30 years of life and sailing without being wiped out by the global warming that's now accelerating faster then even the last two decades' predictions, that'll do for me. For the rest of you who'll live longer than me...

...the best of luck to you. You're going to bloody need it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-math-20120719

By Bill McKibben
July 19, 2012 9:35 AM ET

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...#ixzz21T575GCz

[mydauphin]

I am trying to help by keeping the profit machine of the carbon credit oligarchy honest.
Oh some interesting I found out today, the Penn States football program has revenues of 60 millions a year. That was the reason for the cover. Does that help show how universities have been corrupted by the Almighty dollar. Just imagine how the other dollars are protected.

[Frosty]

Where can I get some UV resistant deck chair material.