ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

[Boston]

where do you come up with this stuff Hoyt



there is absolutely no statistically viable increase in arctic sea ice extent over the last 40 years

Hello
do you see the graph fro the national snow and ice data center
no increasing ice mass

Mark
I'm just trying to move forward with my own personal plans. In order to best do that I need to know what to plan for. The science is very clear on this and its foolish to not take it into account. Larger waves, more sever storms, changing currents and overall warmer weather, more expensive fuel, less "store bought" goods available. Times are changing and it would do one well to change with them.

I"ll be going with a rugged low tec approach like the Atkins Great Bear I was looking at before I got hosed on the Haida Princes. I would have liked the princess but it was a bit delicate looking anyway so oh well.

Whatever it is its got to carry my fuel processor and all my tools, Deal is I'm relatively done arguing elements of science that were settled 50 ~100 years ago and move forward now that I'v another fat remodel job starting next week.

I need to rent a warehouse space and make some forward progress. Its not a mater of closed minded its a mater of there being a serious lack of science to the contrary which of course, includes the lack of any competing working theory.

cheers
B

Arctic sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles since '07! Did you get into some of CTHippy's 'shroom stash, Wad? Transparent the way warmers tailor stats to favor their argument.

Well, I do this forum as a source of intertainment, Bos. We should probably both be out doing something productive. No minds getting changed here. Hey! how about cod and shark liver oil? What would we have to do to make good fuel use of them after we eat the good parts? BTW, why do your graphs not show where the data came from?

cod and shark liver oil

Do you know any Buyers for the Livers?

How must one treat them upon cleaning the COD to present the most valuable product to market?

What is the Going price?



COD Season opens March 15th and


how about selling the Cod Livers Mail Order thru the Interweb?

[hoytedow]

Cod liver oil. Grew up on it. Explains my anchovie craving on pizza. On a boat of course!

No. I was hoping Bos had a process for turning them into useful fuel. Some cosmetic surgeon is burning lipo-proceeds to get home so I suppose it it feasable but I don't know the process.

[hoytedow]

My grandma swore by Geritol. We broke a bottle once at the old Paintsville Herald printshop once about the same year as the following video. The smell never left until the building burnt to the ground. It was nasty smelling stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pni9ZePXR-w

[Boston]

not quite the environmentally sound source of fuel I was thinking of given that the fish stocks and cod specifically are seriously on the decline.

politicians maybe
dogs and cats would be ok
republicans would likely smell bad but I'm sure they'd burn just fine

speaking of which this is from the Pew Report

http://www.pewclimate.org/hurricanes.cfm#change

Several peer-reviewed studies show a clear global trend toward increased intensity of the strongest hurricanes over the past two or three decades. The strongest trends are in the North Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean. According to the 2007 Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC-AR4), it is “more likely than not” (better than even odds) that there is a human contribution to the observed trend of hurricane intensification since the 1970s. In the future, “it is likely [better than 2 to 1 odds] that future tropical cyclones (typhoons and hurricanes) will become more intense, with larger peak wind speeds and more heavy precipitation associated with ongoing increases of tropical [sea surface temperatures].”

this one is published in Nature

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture03906.html

Increasing destructiveness of tropical cyclones over the past 30 years

Kerry Emanuel1

1. Program in Atmospheres, Oceans, and Climate, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139, USA

Theory1 and modelling2 predict that hurricane intensity should increase with increasing global mean temperatures, but work on the detection of trends in hurricane activity has focused mostly on their frequency3, 4 and shows no trend. Here I define an index of the potential destructiveness of hurricanes based on the total dissipation of power, integrated over the lifetime of the cyclone, and show that this index has increased markedly since the mid-1970s. This trend is due to both longer storm lifetimes and greater storm intensities. I find that the record of net hurricane power dissipation is highly correlated with tropical sea surface temperature, reflecting well-documented climate signals, including multi-decadal oscillations in the North Atlantic and North Pacific, and global warming. My results suggest that future warming may lead to an upward trend in tropical cyclone destructive potential, and—taking into account an increasing coastal population—a substantial increase in hurricane-related losses in the twenty-first century.

the NOAA predicts the following in a nicely in-depth article concerning the increasing intensity of storms worldwide
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes



obviously any plans to take to the water must also include action plans to deal with a changing climate.

[hoytedow]

To go to the water without action plans to deal with a changing environment would certainly raise the IQ of humanity as a whole.

[zerogara]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Tk5...eature=related

[Boston]

Thing is the oceans are changing faster than predicted in a number of areas. I'm just hoping it not as exponential as say Dr Jackson suggests

look up and watch his lecture "A Brave New Ocean"

Okay, I guess we should just continue to toss the livers of a couple of million metric tons of cod catch every year.

[wardd]

some here seem to think that ice skates will replace life vests

Looking at the other thread, I guess I have to quit calling you "Wad". Will "Double D" do?

[Boston]

not at all
if your tossing them anyway then by all means we should be making something out of it. My vision would be for a processing ship that could refuel the fleet at sea with there own waste. or at least partially.

its a good idea as long as its just scrap anyway
let me look into the yield on fish guts and see what kind of quantities we are talking about per ton