Noahs' Ark- Better than New?

[Boston]

today in the news there were even more reports of abuse

charges being filed on behalf of at least 7 kids in Germany

Berlin, Germany (CNN) -- Four Catholic priests and two nuns have been accused of sexually abusing children in Germany's diocese of Regensburg, the diocese confirmed Monday.
Five of the six cases date back to the 1970s, while the sixth is from 1984, the diocese said. The six clergy members are all still alive. Seven people have come forward with the allegations.
The diocese said it is cooperating with the police, and two of the cases have been handed over to judicial authorities.
Hundreds of people in Germany have claimed this year that they had been abused by Catholic clergy when they were children. Some allege the abuse was sexual, while others refer to physical violence such as slapping.
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Pope Benedict XVI -- who is German -- issued a pastoral letter Saturday about child sexual abuse by Catholic clergy in Ireland, but did not mention the allegations in Germany or other European countries.

kinda hard to chalk group abuse by 4 priests and 2 nuns up to celibacy.
I gotta wonder what those six were doing in there of time with each other that might qualify as celibacy. My bet is if we ever got ahold of the court transcripts that you'd find they were doing the crazy monkey every chance they got

[CaptBill]

Ok been away,
Nice to see how the cat's do play.

Did you know, getting back on topic, that looking a Noah's cock and running a telling everyone was the root cause of perversion? The first perverted act this side of the flood...

And you people are talking about pedophile priests....

Celibacy causes pedophilia

So Daniel the prophet was "turned into" a pedophile I guess.

My HAIRY ASS!

You know a pedophile when he gets his DUE REWARD...
They end up in between a man and his wife, and get shot with a cumm wad when he jerks it at her....

You know, how sailors do at sea, "handle" there own business, if you know what I mean.

Some of us "perpetual greenhorns" just can't "raise the mast" over a hairy ass, if you know what I mean.

But that's just me...apparently....

What do you do when you wifey can't save you out when you are sailing, huh?

[troy2000]

How did this thread get from Noah's Ark to buggering priests?

Yeah, I know....one post at a time, just like all the others that go astray. It was a rhetorical question.

But I'm going to make a feeble attempt to drag it back to the original topic. Does anyone have a count of the number of people who have claimed they found Noah's Ark in the last hundred years?

[CaptBill]

Just recently some new "competing" claims have been made in the news.

These claims are FAKE.

Look at the timing of these new finds.
They are timed for now because word is getting around ABOUT THIS VERY THREAD!
We have uncapped some major archeological data that got overlooked by Ron Wyatt, the man who discovered the Ark.

By looking at Ron's findings with a "sailors eye" many things appear that only we can see from our vantage.

No longer is the Ark honestly represented as a floating box with a giraffe sticking out the hatch, but is instead a very impressive ship with amazing seagoing characteristics. She is indeed a fine vessel.

THE WORD IS OUT AND SPREADING

AND IT STARTED RIGHT HERE

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by CaptBill

Just recently some new "competing" claims have been made in the news.

These claims are FAKE.

Look at the timing of these new finds.
They are timed for now because word is getting around ABOUT THIS VERY THREAD!
We have uncapped some major archeological data that got overlooked by Ron Wyatt, the man who discovered the Ark.

By looking at Ron's findings with a "sailors eye" many things appear that only we can see from our vantage.

No longer is the Ark honestly represented as a floating box with a giraffe sticking out the hatch, but is instead a very impressive ship with amazing seagoing characteristics. She is indeed a fine vessel.

THE WORD IS OUT AND SPREADING

AND IT STARTED RIGHT HERE

And on top of all that, you also seem to have found Abraham's Alter. My, you folks have been busy.

I'm a little confused, though. What sort of amazing seagoing characteristics would a floating menagerie need? As opposed to simply staying afloat until the waters receded, I mean. After all, it isn't like she had ports of call and a schedule to follow....and she certainly didn't need to beat her way off any lee shores.

Tell me: have they identified the bay where the earthworms, beetles, deer flies and mosquitoes were housed yet?

[CaptBill]

"I'm a little confused, though. What sort of amazing seagoing characteristics would a floating menagerie need? As opposed to simply staying afloat until the waters receded, I mean. After all, it isn't like she had ports of call and a schedule to follow....and she certainly didn't need to beat her way off any lee shores."

It would need to make it through the WORST STORM EVEN UNTIL THIS DAY
(The earth was being "reconfigured" through all this, hello)

Think about it alittle:
1.No fish were taken, enough could manage survival
2.Mosquitoes and many other bugs could also easily manage to survive a flood scenario

[Boston]

wrong

mosquito's require a blood meal of some kind within a certain time interval of metamorphosis
without there being any terrestrial animals to provide that meal mosquito's would have died out

also
if the reletively small volume of fresh water was mixed with the relatively large volume of salt then it stands to reason that the fresh water fish unable to adapt in such a short period of time would also have perished
so there had better also be fresh water aquariums in that mythical arc or there would be no where for these ancient mosquito's to hatch
40 days and 40 nights of rain and then some unspecified amount of time to dry out is way beyond the life cycle of our buddy the mosquito

deal is there was no flood there was no arc and there is no discovery of sites supporting the mythology

there is however a clear trend of criminally deviant behavior within the judo-christianic clergy that seriously needs addressing or at least acknowledgment before it can be addressed

which would be a far more constructive topic than arguing religious mythologies

[CaptBill]

"there is however a clear trend of criminally deviant behavior within the judo-christianic clergy that seriously needs addressing or at least acknowledgment before it can be addressed

which would be a far more constructive topic than arguing religious mythologies"

Then start a thread....

Far away from this thread about A SHIP

Comprende?

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

And on top of all that, you also seem to have found Abraham's Alter. My, you folks have been busy.

I'm a little confused, though. What sort of amazing seagoing characteristics would a floating menagerie need? As opposed to simply staying afloat until the waters receded, I mean. After all, it isn't like she had ports of call and a schedule to follow....and she certainly didn't need to beat her way off any lee shores.

Tell me: have they identified the bay where the earthworms, beetles, deer flies and mosquitoes were housed yet?

I agree the ark would have been a barge-like vessel built to be stable and non-directional. There is not one word about sail, oar or rudder. It must simply float and contain. Any other design would be sheer fantasy and unsupportable.

[masrapido]

Originally Posted by Boston

wrong

mosquito's require a blood meal of some kind within a certain time interval of metamorphosis
without there being any terrestrial animals to provide that meal mosquito's would have died out

also
if the reletively small volume of fresh water was mixed with the relatively large volume of salt then it stands to reason that the fresh water fish unable to adapt in such a short period of time would also have perished
so there had better also be fresh water aquariums in that mythical arc or there would be no where for these ancient mosquito's to hatch
40 days and 40 nights of rain and then some unspecified amount of time to dry out is way beyond the life cycle of our buddy the mosquito

deal is there was no flood there was no arc and there is no discovery of sites supporting the mythology

there is however a clear trend of criminally deviant behavior within the judo-christianic clergy that seriously needs addressing or at least acknowledgment before it can be addressed

which would be a far more constructive topic than arguing religious mythologies

A priest in my secondary school looked like one of those. You know the type, aged before his time, big glasses with a black thick rame and a desperate look in the lusty eyes whenever boys would run accross the playround or pass him in the hallways.

Creepy...

He also liked sailing, apparently. That is what he was selling to boys anyway. So, there's a connection fro the new thread.

I, however wonder pne thing. If they were pushed into it by celibacy, how come they all were homos, and mainly raped boys, not girls?

I believe they were homos before they joined the club and joined the priesthood to cleanse themselves from the sinful thoughts. But the logic was inherently wrong. How do you expect to cleanse yourself from homosexual instincts and lust in a seminary full of - boys!!!???

It had to end up being amplified several times over.

Of course the story about the "boat" is a hollow legend. Where would the food for all those animals be kept in such a small boat, as described by bible? And for such a long time they spent on the sea.

Your had would have to be belted by the wet towel for weeks to make you actually believe it.

Not to mention that the original is from the epic of Gilgamesh. Almost exact story, except for the name Noah - Gilgamesh, and the fact that Gilgamesh was a merchant, just like the persian Noah, who gave the name to the "biblical" one. If you haven't read the original, I warmly reccomend it. Great read. Just don't start another religion, anyone, please!!!

[masrapido]

Call me an atheist. A stubborn one if that makes you happy, but here's one simple undeniable piece of evidence that burns all the religions of the world that incorporate the flood as an integral part of their beliefs:

The flood according to the legends was the whole of the earth event. Right?

Right.

Well, if that is the case, then a flood of that size and magnitude would have left the massive deposits of its' stratum everywhere on Earth.

From the scientific research we know that there's no such thing. In fact there are no flooding traces anywhere in the world that would suggest their origin being a planetary catastrophic event.

Hence, the Noah did not happen, as per religion. And teh "god" is an imaginary character composed by many different cultures through many thousands of years.

Nothing else. Just a story of primitive people who still manage to control lives of many people from their dusty and long gone graves.

That fascinates me. The power of stone age ignorants is greater than that of millions of modern humans.

Unbelievable.

Exodus story is just as fascinatingly false and clearly arrived to us in a broken telephones type of communication. Yet hundreds of religious fanatics are crossing Sinai every year convinced that 2 millions of people lived there for 30 years, wandering around looking for the way out.

Such a big herd of people would have left large settlements' remains around, yet, again thanks to the science, we know that there is not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that Sinai was inhabited EVER by that many people. Historical, antropological and geological facts actually confirm the opposite.

Great reading those ancient stories. Beautiful imagination and stroy telling, but that's it.

[hoytedow]

"Why isn't there any record of millions of Jews wandering in the desert?
There has been a lot of speculation on the route of the Exodus and why the traditional site hasn't yielded any archaeological evidence. After all, if two million people wander in a desert for forty years, you'd think that at least something would be found to support it. But, nothing at all has been unearthed in the Sinai Peninsula supporting the biblical account of the Exodus. Various explanations for this range from the idea that it is naturally difficult to find any archeological evidence in a desert of sand to the explanation that the traditional site is the wrong one.

First of all, no archaeological find has ever contradicted the Bible. Archaeology has only confirmed what the Bible says. As has been the case with so many other things in the Bible, as archaeology progresses, they will most certainly uncover evidence in the future. The Bible has yet to be proven wrong by archaeology.

Second, lack of evidence doesn't mean there wasn't an Exodus. However, this is a slippery slope since having a lack of evidence for an ice cream factory on Jupiter doesn't mean that there is one. What we need is evidence and it is fair to say that there should be some evidence for the wanderings of two million people for forty years in a desert.

Third, it may be that the traditional site of Mt. Sinai is incorrect. Gal. 4:25 says "Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children." Present theories dealing with Mt. Sinai's location have it in the Sinai Peninsula, yet the Bible says it was in Arabia. The map to the right shows the traditionally accepted route (in black) and the currently accepted location of Mt. Sinai. The problem is that there has been absolutely no archaeological evidence unearthed at that site to verify the Exodus. The route in red shows an alternate path that is consistent with Paul's description in Gal. 4:25. This would have placed Mt. Sinai in Arabia, which is now Saudi Arabia, instead of the traditionally accepted Sinai peninsula.

In a recent book titled "In search of the Mountain of God," by Bob Cornuke and David Halbrook (Broadman and Holman, 2000), Bob Cornuke (a Christian) recounts his story of going into Saudi Arabia with his friend Larry Williams (a non-Christian commodities trader). They uncovered evidence of an alternate site where the real Mt. Sinai might be. Bob Cornuke was a police officer, swat team member, and crime scene investigator in Southern California and is the President of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration (BASE) Institute BaseInstitute.org. He and Mr. Williams have produced a video and book (available on that site) where they claim to have found evidence in Saudi Arabia to support that Mt. Sinai is located within its borders. Now, I must admit that this has not been verified by any "official" archaeologists, but the video, which I have seen, does raise some interesting possibilities.

Mr. Cornuke and Williams claim to have simply let the Bible guide them as they attempted to locate the actual route of the Jews of the Exodus. Through trial and error over several weeks, they followed what they believed was the route as is laid out by the Bible and they found the items described in Exodus 13 - 19 including, springs, a split rock, an altar, an underwater land bridge at the end of the Sinai Peninsula where the people of Israel could have crossed, and much more. The present location of Mt. Sinai, according to the locals in their account, is known as Jabal Al Laws and is traditionally known by them as the mount of Moses. The Saudis have the area fenced off with warning signs in Arabic and English telling people not to enter. If this is so, why would the Saudis not want anyone to know about the place? It might be because if Mt. Sinai is located in Muslim territory then one of the most holy places of the Jewish and Christian religions could pose serious political problems.

I must admit that this is speculative at present and it has not been verified. But the video was compelling. Whether or not this is a valid option is yet to be determined and it is supportive of the idea that the traditional location of the Exodus route might indeed be incorrect, as Gal. 4:25 seems to suggest."

http://www.carm.org/why-isnt-there-a...ndering-desert

http://starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html

[masrapido]

Hoyt, you always surprise me when I expect it the least. I read about that some years ago when I was on a ship on the line between Arabian Peninsula and Venice. One day in Jeddah, while unloading the cargo, I stroke a chat with the local worker, inerestingly definitely african negro, and so were the majority of the workers. He said that they were native in the Arabia so we started a chat about the history.

In the chat, he mentioned the desert called the, enjoy this: Red Sea. He also told me the story about the exodus of some Arabs who had formed a sect and in doing so failed from grace of the local tribal leaders. Clashes led to the surviving members of that sect to take their families and flee to the north. They were chased by the other lot, but the desert storm started while they were going through the part of the desert called the Red Sea because the soil there is the tropical red soil, dried out due to lack of the rains.

They managed to evade the storm, but the chasers got right into it and perished.

Survivors remained in the desert wandering around for decades, and turned into what we today know as Bedouins. The desert wanderers.

It is the event that is reflected in the bible, but in a different format. That would explain many things. Like the fact that there are arabic jews down at the bottom of the Arabian peninsula, where they are still guarding the Eve's tomb, so they reckon, the Red Sea, the many geographical names of the characters appearing in the bible but found down south, etc.

After all, jews are Semites, one of the three main Arabic groups.

When stripped of fantasies and religious beliefs, the legends ant the history could tell us many fascinating stories and some may even be true, when analysed from their purely historical perspective.

[Boston]

Originally Posted by masrapido

A priest in my secondary school looked like one of those. You know the type, aged before his time, big glasses with a black thick rame and a desperate look in the lusty eyes whenever boys would run accross the playround or pass him in the hallways.

Creepy...

He also liked sailing, apparently. That is what he was selling to boys anyway. So, there's a connection fro the new thread.

I, however wonder pne thing. If they were pushed into it by celibacy, how come they all were homos, and mainly raped boys, not girls?

I believe they were homos before they joined the club and joined the priesthood to cleanse themselves from the sinful thoughts. But the logic was inherently wrong. How do you expect to cleanse yourself from homosexual instincts and lust in a seminary full of - boys!!!???

It had to end up being amplified several times over.

Of course the story about the "boat" is a hollow legend. Where would the food for all those animals be kept in such a small boat, as described by bible? And for such a long time they spent on the sea.

Your had would have to be belted by the wet towel for weeks to make you actually believe it.

Not to mention that the original is from the epic of Gilgamesh. Almost exact story, except for the name Noah - Gilgamesh, and the fact that Gilgamesh was a merchant, just like the persian Noah, who gave the name to the "biblical" one. If you haven't read the original, I warmly reccomend it. Great read. Just don't start another religion, anyone, please!!!

glad you mentioned Gilgamesh, there are countless mythos derived from other older religions contained within christianity

you would get a bang out of the legend of Inanna ( I think it was translated by Elain Pagells )
its a near perfect mirror image of the death and resurrection story found in the the christian religion but written about 2500 years earlier.

thing is Paul came from Helenistic pagan Tarsus and as the founder of christianity he injected a lot of its mythologies into his own

you might also enjoy Paul the Myth Maker by Hyam Maccoby

both are well worth reading if you have the time

cheers
B

[CaptBill]

Here is the rock that Moses struck with the staff and water gushed out.



Here is a chariot wheel, one of thousands, found in the Red Sea



See this video of the Red Sea crossing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJXUv_btg60