Nasa says no global warming

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by Boston

1. GMOs are unhealthy.
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) urges doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for all patients. They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility. Human studies show how genetically modified (GM) food can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems. Genes inserted into GM soy, for example, can transfer into the DNA of bacteria living inside us, and that the toxic insecticide produced by GM corn was found in the blood of pregnant women and their unborn fetuses.

Each GMO should be considered on its merits, failings and dangers.
To throw all GMO's into the same basket is very unsound science because
all GMO's are not equally dangerous, as you continue to imply.

I have no doubt that some are dangerous and possibly rammed through to
bypass protocols using sneaky, immoral practices. I also have no doubt
that GMO opponents are using sneaky immoral tactics to alarm people
where it is not warranted.

Originally Posted by Boston

Numerous health problems increased after GMOs were introduced in 1996. The percentage of Americans with three or more chronic illnesses jumped from 7% to 13% in just 9 years; food allergies skyrocketed, and disorders such as autism, reproductive disorders, digestive problems, and others are on the rise. Although there is not sufficient research to confirm that GMOs are a contributing factor, doctors groups such as the AAEM tell us not to wait before we start protecting ourselves, and especially our children who are most at risk.

But there are no confirmed deaths or epidemics directly linked to GMO's
anywhere in the world, so at present they are helping to feed and keep
alive more people than they are killing.

Certainly, in some countries there are no audit trails back to the GM food,
but that is not the case in all countries. If there was a huge number of
deaths (e.g. like the milk scare in China) then authorities would
launch inquiries into the cause. Even Monsanto could not conspire to
subvert all scientists involved in such inquiries all over the world.

Originally Posted by Boston

The American Public Health Association and American Nurses Association are among many medical groups that condemn the use of GM bovine growth hormone, because the milk from treated cows has more of the hormone IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1)―which is linked to cancer.

Many common pesticides, fungicides and other "agricultural" chemicals are
linked to cancer and a host of other diseases, allergies, and syndromes.
A more valid question is whether GMO's are worse than what is already in
use on non-GM foods.

Would you agree that some GM foods could be better than the non-GM
variety after *all* the chemicals used in their production are taken into account?

[Boston]

Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas

The way you put it here suggests that all GMO crops are failing.
Is that really the case, or are you over-stating the case?

resistant strains of bugs are showing up right and left these days. On rice in the east, corn in the west, nearly every time someone does a study they find a developing strain of something finding a way to take advantage of what was billed as imune.

That would be a reasonable conclusion if:
1. All GMO crops were failing because of new strains of parasites, and

or if a steadily increasing number of GMO crops were finding themselves effected by steadily increasing number of resistant organisms.

that second was to flawed to comment on, organic farming has fed billions and will again, there is no other option.

GMO foods are also loosing in the courts these days. We now have our first European country that is McDonalds free. Since that company refuses to label its GMO foods.

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by Boston

GMO foods are also loosing in the courts these days. We now have our first European country that is McDonalds free. Since that company refuses to label its GMO foods.

Some GMO foods will inevitably fail to pass the tests required by some
countries. Some will make it through with no problems. Just as some
existing agricultural chemicals will be banned and others will not.

You have avoided questions, and you are again treating all GMO foods
on the same basis.

Your wish to re-introduce "Strange Fruit" to the USA is also not looking
good. Executing criminals is proving too expensive for some US states.
It seems that jailing murderers for life costs about $1.1 million and
keeping them on death row for 15 years (on average) costs about $3 million.

[michael pierzga]

GMOs are like the much derided DDT.

When DDT was properly used, it saved the lives of millions of people. When DDT was misused , it ruined the environment.

GMOs must be approached with caution. The best scientific caution. There safety should never be approved by manufacturers , investors or politicians..

[Boston]

Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas

Some GMO foods will inevitably fail to pass the tests required by some
countries. Some will make it through with no problems. Just as some
existing agricultural chemicals will be banned and others will not.

looks like they are banning them period. Across the board. And rightly so, It only takes one to infect a wide variety of crops. Looks like logic prevailed on this one and more and more countries are just banning GMO's outright.

You have avoided questions, and you are again treating all GMO foods
on the same basis.

Frankengenes are frankengenes why, what frankengenes were you talking about

Your wish to re-introduce "Strange Fruit" to the USA is also not looking
good. Executing criminals is proving too expensive for some US states.
It seems that jailing murderers for life costs about $1.1 million and
keeping them on death row for 15 years (on average) costs about $3 million.

huh,
um
take a minute and go get your pills,
take the blue pill.

cheers
B

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

GMOs are like the much derided DDT.

When DDT was properly used, it saved the lives of millions of people. When DDT was misused , it ruined the environment.

GMOs must be approached with caution. The best scientific caution. There safety should never be approved by manufacturers , investors or politicians..

Certainly. And the same can be said of enormous numbers of the hundreds of thousands of new chemicals introduced into the environment every year.

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by Boston

huh,
um
take a minute and go get your pills,
take the blue pill.

None required here.
You are the one who admitted to wanting to re-introduce public hangings (aka
"Strange Fruit") to the USA. That's as odd a suggestion as I've heard in a while.