Mid-term election predictions / politicians

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by PAR

Mark is rather obvious, though I appreciate the attempt Troy. My examples clearly show his lack of understanding. He obviously didn't get the Angle reference either, which is typical of the Tea-Party types. They yell good, but haven't a clue about the realities of the issues. Of course he didn't answer single question and no one I met from the Tea-Party has yet.

Like when they close down the Department of Education, what will they spend all the Pell grant money on, or more importantly how will already hard pressed families be able to send the kids to privately run for profit schools? The best part is most of them don't realize how many kids have Pell grants. I wonder if these Tea-Partiers actually realize that over 50% of the students are in the Pell grant program. Maybe if we stand real still they will not notice the other programs associated with the Department of Education. Such as Sallie Mae, Ford Federal Direct, FAFSA, Undergraduate Stafford, AES, ACE, FinAid, etc.

These are the people that want to remove major portions of the Constitutional Amendments, maybe even all the way back to the bill of Rights. Hell, we don't need no stinking free slaves, women don't need the right to vote and should be upset if they are considered chattel, children should be allowed to work in factories 14 hours a day and only white land owners may vote. Damn that sounds pretty GOP to me. Lets go for it.

Trust me, the GOP will squash the Tea-Party come November 3rd. They have to or it will be their ruin and they have way too much invested to let this rabble take them down. Those among us, such as myself that are history fans have seen this before, but last time it affected the Democrats more then the GOP. This isn't a new thing, but it is pretty scary how far to the right they've scurried.

I dunno, PAR. Short-term greed is a powerful force -- especially in politics, where even a lot of pro's can't think past the next election. I think they'll keep pandering to the TP'ers for a while, and the Hell with any gridlock caused in Washington by whatever idiots manage to get elected.

I predicted quite a while ago that Palin and the Tea Party movement would push the GOP too far to the right for its own good. What I didn't predict is how little pushback there would be. The TP'ers didn't really have to push anyone; they just pointed a finger, and a huge number of Republicans scurried in the right direction under their own power.

Yes, I see a lot of parallels with the Democrats, and their dealings with the extreme left wing in years gone by. It'll be interesting to see if the Republicans learned anything by watching that debacle. I doubt it....

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by PAR

See, this is your whole problem Troy, you volunteered, I was drafted. The best part of the US armed forces is they are not conscript, but actually willing. The energy, drive and heart of this type of solder is unstoppable.

It's an old family tradition, PAR (volunteering, I mean). We've been doing it for about as long as the country has been around.

My younger son is at Army boot camp right now, down in Ft. Jackson. He'll go from there into almost a year's worth of training at two other bases, because his MOS is going to be EOD -- Explosive Ordnance Disposal, commonly known as 'bomb squad.'

[BATAAN]

Originally Posted by mark775

Here's something good

Tho the Bronze Star did not exist until executive order 9419, 4 Feb. 1944, upon letter application, award of the Bronze Star Medal may have been retroactive to eligible soldiers who participated in the Philippine Islands Campaign between 7 December 1941 to 10 May 1942. Performance of duty must have been on the island of Luzon or the Harbor Defenses in Corregidor and Bataan. Only soldiers who were awarded the Distinguished Unit Citation (Presidential Unit Citation) cud be eligible and tho there is no ribbon for that pinned to the photograph, I can think of no reason why any honor pinned may have been not authentic. Bailey was there, he got a Bronze Star. The ribbons displayed say basically that he was there - it was early in his career. Tho I feel for soldiers who were injured or captured, being in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't necessarily qualify one as hero. My father received two Silver Stars and he related that he got one because he was scared to death and kept shooting instead of running (those running were cut down) and the other because his unit was out of courage and pinned on one side of a raised railroad with the Chinese on the other (Chosin), mortar fire was getting close, so he chose to charge rather than lay there and die. He didn't consider even them to be signifiers of heroism. In particular, he felt that getting shot or captured meant that you didn't do your job (or more to the point, that Hollywood MacAuthur, once again, did not do his job). He spent three and one half years on the Yalu river as a POW and was disgusted with MacAurthur for stringing out our forces and leaving them vulnerable. I appreciate what my, and your father did in WWll, and mine again in the Forgotten War and tho his military career certainly had an impact on my life, I wudn't dream of calling myself "Corregidor" "Pyoktong" or "Pukchin" because of the inappropriatness of applying to my life what these mean had to do. I feel it is hinting that you had something to do with Bataan to call yourself "Bataan" and detracts from the veneration that those men deserve. Just a part of a different world view, I suppose but it is offensive.
We are so different that I find it difficult to accept that we are of the same species. You fools also make poor political analysts and savor a serious underrepresentation of the anger of the non-sponge people of America and their eventual resolve (we are not all there yet).

Mark, we must agree to disagree. The aftereffects of war are horrible and we all seem to forget so quickly, and I swore not to, ever. I'll call myself anything I like as I have my own reasons. Sorry I don't have all his ribbons right, I'll have to go through his stuff to make you happy and find the PUC. I'm not a military historian and don't know what any of them are except the Purple one. Maybe I'll change my name to Fukuoka 17, his last camp.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

Mark, we must agree to disagree. The aftereffects of war are horrible and we all seem to forget so quickly, and I swore not to, ever. I'll call myself anything I like as I have my own reasons. Sorry I don't have all his ribbons right, I'll have to go through his stuff to make you happy and find the PUC. I'm not a military historian and don't know what any of them are except the Purple one. Maybe I'll change my name to Fukuoka 17, his last camp.

Why don't you change your name to 'shove-it-up-your-arse-Mark'? That's what I'll tell him if he ever starts questioning my father's war record... or mine again, for that matter.

You owe him no explanations or justifications whatsoever. He's trying to direct traffic on a path he hasn't even earned the right to leave footprints on.

[BATAAN]

Thanx troy- Typical liberal, apologizes for existing, yeah, that's me.

[BATAAN]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I dunno, PAR. Short-term greed is a powerful force -- especially in politics, where even a lot of pro's can't think past the next election. I think they'll keep pandering to the TP'ers for a while, and the Hell with any gridlock caused in Washington by whatever idiots manage to get elected.

I predicted quite a while ago that Palin and the Tea Party movement would push the GOP too far to the right for its own good. What I didn't predict is how little pushback there would be. The TP'ers didn't really have to push anyone; they just pointed a finger, and a huge number of Republicans scurried in the right direction under their own power.

Yes, I see a lot of parallels with the Democrats, and their dealings with the extreme left wing in years gone by. It'll be interesting to see if the Republicans learned anything by watching that debacle. I doubt it....

Our Democratic party people remember being called "unpatriotic" in the last GOP go-round and can't figure out what it means, so must mean turn right.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

Our Democratic party people remember being called "unpatriotic" in the last GOP go-round and can't figure out what it means, so must mean turn right.

Not just the last go-around; we've been hearing that crap for years and years. As a matter of fact, it's one of the things that drove me out of the Republican Party -- along with insults to my intelligence and our founders by crap like proposed flag-burning amendments, of course.

[BATAAN]

I can't figure out what I am because no party seems to speak for me, but I'm not one of them.
Personally I think Eisenhower was a great President who knew that the wolves were at the door and said so in his "military industrial complex" speech. After him, the Republicans seemed to go downhill.
We need a Common Sense and Rational Compassion for Americans party and it's not the TP crazies.

Right now? You want me to do battle with your leftist handbook right now? Well, no. I will say this, tho; that SS is a Ponzi scheme and the money always has gone into the general fund to be spent. Also, typical of the left to have a problem with rich getting richer - increasing the wealth gap. Why do you care - You r that jealous?
Let me tell you fools a little about what the Tea Party is - and Isn't. It is a collective of individuals angry about the government taxing and spending money without representation. You see, the Federal government, tho working for the states, a union of the states, if you will, has taken over. It is subjugating states rights and is levying control and taxes in ways not intended by the Constitution and the Tea party is a reflection of the anger of Americans who don't wish to see the country fail because of this. The movement is about restoration and does not promote violence in its quest to restore Constitutional Rule of Law. It is defined by two things 1. The effort to reduce taxes, spending and deficits and 2. The desire for their representatives to listen. Sounds pretty right-wing trailor-trashish, doesn't it? The thing about the Tea Party, I think, that gets simple people riled (Yes, that's you, Parr) is fear and a little phrase, "endowed by our creator" (That's the one your leader keeps forgetting) The idea that God is anything but an inconvenience to you enlightened beings and a crutch for the mental midgets of the right is distressing to u. I understand this - you are afraid and afraid flock animals huddle and lash out at what they are afraid of. Rest assured. The Tea Party is not a political Party, per se, but advocacy group in support of political candidates with like ideals. Pretty scary?
Look, bugminds, I am not a Tea Partier, have never been to a function, nor funneled money in any form to them. I do support what I see on cable news and read online and in the Journal because the alternatives, the Democratic tax and spenders who are Sooo much smarter than the average Joe yet consistantly F everything they touch with the intent of taking from one man and giving to another, and the Republicans, signing "Contract with America" in 1994 and, this year, "Pledge to America" or some such and forgetting or ignoring that contract shortly thereafter, are simply not viable if this country is to survive.
"Would it not be better to simplify the system of taxation rather than to spread it over such a variety of subjects and pass through so many new hands... the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its turn wretchedness and oppression... We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt...I place economy among the first and most important Republican virtues, and public debt among the greatest of dangers to be feared." - TJ. In 1824, Jefferson concluded, "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." Simple minds, this is all the Tea Party is trying to remind, and from this the natural progression that Parr and Wad and Bantam shud go out and get a job. Sorry numbnuts, all -The Tea Party is not a bunch of White Supremists and Anarchists. Try reading Thomas Sowell. Look up The Patriot, At least look at the Drudge Report , The Weekly Standard, shud I go on a bit? I think not -You are not even smart enuf to bother to learn what you think is your opposition. We will know by 8:00PM in about nine days in Kentucky , Ohio, and Indiana how the nation will do as a whole in this election. Why stir **** before then? You think you are going to rally your base? Sorry, they are busy doing crack and picking up their welfare checks, you *******es.

FU, Chroy. U were drafted. I was the wrong age to go to Nam. In peace, I did more for my country working my ass off. You people ARE unpatriotic.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

I can't figure out what I am because no party seems to speak for me, but I'm not one of them.
Personally I think Eisenhower was a great President who knew that the wolves were at the door and said so in his "military industrial complex" speech. After him, the Republicans seemed to go downhill.
We need a Common Sense and Rational Compassion for Americans party and it's not the TP crazies.

It gets complicated, doesn't it? I actually sympathize with the TP'ers on a lot of issues, but can't support them because they take those issues to their logical extremes and make them supremely illogical....

For example, take the rabid opposition to letting illegals who grew up in this country earn their citizenship by serving in the armed forces. I understand all the arguments against uncontrolled immigration, and against rewarding illegal behavior. But what more could you ask from someone as a qualification for American citizenship, beyond a willingness to lay down his life if necessary in defense of our country?

There are a whole lot of people who have never known another home than the US; their parents brought them here as infants or young children. Does it really make sense to deport them to a country they know nothing about, where they barely speak the language because they grew up speaking English instead?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mark775

FU, Chroy. U were drafted. I was the wrong age to go to Nam. In peace, I did more for my country working my ass off. You people ARE unpatriotic.

Well, no. You're shamelessly lying through your teeth. I volunteered, back when I knew I would go to war. On the other hand, you were too gutless to volunteer even during peacetime -- because a war might come up while you were there. Like Cheney, you had 'other priorities' --such as making sure your skin didn't develop any unscheduled holes in it.

You didn't do a friggen thing for the country by 'working your ass off,' Mark. You did it all just for Mark, and the country would've survived just fine without your little two-bit contribution to the economy.

Please don't make me puke on my keyboard from trying to swallow your excuses and rationalizations for not serving....you and Cheny are like two peas in a pod. Except that Cheny's a lot smarter and richer than you, of course. And maybe better looking, too....

You're a real piece of work, you know that? You're everything I raised my sons not to be.... fortunately, their upbringing took hold even though I was away from home a lot. They grew up to be men, instead of hateful, petulant crybabies. I'm proud of them.

Nothing to do with war. You are lying thru your teeth. Always glad to be compared to Dick Cheney - One of the greatest men and Americans of our time. Thank you!
G'nite, *******. I have to sleep to prepare for work tomorrow. You are at work - I know that because you are on the computer stealing a wage.

[mydauphin]

Unpatriotic is what happens in government everyday specially Washington. They (ALL) steal your money, your rights, your future, your children's future. They promise you platitudes while ignoring the real issues. They are both destroying this great country and with it the world as we know it. So unless we can kick all of them out, we are going to be their slaves even more than we are now.
So either grab your ballot and shot to kill the bastards or move to a more freedom loving country like.... Me, I gave up, too many bastards, free loafers and Marxists, so I will watch the demise of civilization from a tropical island.

[mydauphin]

Originally Posted by troy2000

It gets complicated, doesn't it? I actually sympathize with the TP'ers on a lot of issues, but can't support them because they take those issues to their logical extremes and make them supremely illogical....

For example, take the rabid opposition to letting illegals who grew up in this country earn their citizenship by serving in the armed forces. I understand all the arguments against uncontrolled immigration, and against rewarding illegal behavior. But what more could you ask from someone as a qualification for American citizenship, beyond a willingness to lay down his life if necessary in defense of our country?

There are a whole lot of people who have never known another home than the US; their parents brought them here as infants or young children. Does it really make sense to deport them to a country they know nothing about, where they barely speak the language because they grew up speaking English instead?

This is a problem that is so easy to fix, but they don't want to. Don't you understand the politician want us divide so they can control us.

Twenty years ago with the exception of Cuba with the Mariel boat lift, that was screw up by Carter, there was no significant illegal issue. The present laws were enforced. There was an orderly process for worker visas, and employers that hire illegals were punished. The system allowed for special skilled visas as well as special humanitarian status. The system was torn apart by the politicians in order to gain favor from a growing political block.

Guys, the politicians are all prostitutes and they are selling our country, our laws, piece by piece to the highest bidder. That is why they don't want to solve anything

Oh, buy the way. I am second generation immigrant. My family came here with nothing and built a life here. We never took money from anyone and came legally like many millions did. Why do the american people have to support the world, we have to support ourselves first. Charity begins at home...