Mid-term election predictions / politicians

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

Today's WaPo about the TP and what's actually happening as they flail around.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102304000.html

I think the majority of tea party members and supporters are sincere, if somewhat scared and confused. As the article hints, I also believe most of them will fade back into the woodwork as soon as the economy improves, and go on with their lives.

And I wasn't surprised to read the following excerpts, either:

Eleven percent said that Obama's race, religion or ethnic background was either a "very important" or "somewhat important" factor in the support their group has received....

...But the interviews found that Obama's race is, in fact, important in more than one in 10 tea party groups.

Andy Stevens, 68, a video producer and a founder of the Tea Party Patriots in Anacortes, Wash., said he described Obama's race and and religion as "somewhat important" to members of his group because they remain troubled by what they see as the president's un-American and un-Christian behaviors.

In Stevens's view, those include Obama's "socialist" policies and intentional failure to mention "the creator" when talking about inalienable rights.

So the President is un-Christian, because he fails to mention 'the Creator' when he discusses inalienable rights. Okayyy....

But I'd say the excerpts generally confirm what I've said in the past: that Obama's race and religion are far from the only things on tea party minds, and the majority of them probably aren't racist -- but there's a significant sub-group of them in the movement who are.

Again, Bantam, Parr, Wad, and other "Me Too!"s - Help your cause by shutting 'ur boca.
Painting the Tea Party as racist wud be the gold standard of smear but, according to the WP article, TP organizers have kicked out questionable members.
Still, the article goes on, "But the interviews found that Obama's race is, in fact, important in more than one in 10 tea party groups." They interviewed select *******s wearing a swastika tattoo on their forehead, or what?
The writer uses this as demonstration of racism; "Andy Stevens, 68, a video producer and a founder of the Tea Party Patriots in Anacortes, Wash., [checked the box describing] Obama's race and and religion as "somewhat important" to members of his group because they remain troubled by what they see as the president's un-American and un-Christian behaviors."
"In Stevens's view, those include Obama's "socialist" policies and intentional failure to mention "the creator" when talking about inalienable rights." Does this suggest that Obama's race is important to Stevens?
I'll tell you, there has not been a more dividing president in modern history and I, personally, never had a racist moment in my life but when I see that 97% of blacks voted for Obama and still think he is doing a good job, I definately question their race-neutrality. I think it better to .just . leave . race. out . of . it. Clinton, WP, you dinks and 40% of America can do everything you can to discredit the TP but, news flash, the TP is simply a cross-section of America. When you attack the ideals of these people, you are attacking America. (We Americans get a little defensive about that)

Funny we pulled the same **** out of that article and found differing importance.
The hypocrite deliberately left out "Creator" but says he is a Christian and went to church twice since president.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mark775

Again, Bantam, Parr, Wad, and other "Me Too!"s - Help your cause by shutting 'ur boca.
Painting the Tea Party as racist wud be the gold standard of smear but, according to the WP article, TP organizers have kicked out questionable members.
Still, the artical goes on, "But the interviews found that Obama's race is, in fact, important in more than one in 10 tea party groups." They interviewed select *******s wearing a swastika tattoo on their forehead, or what?
The writer uses this as demonstration of racism; "Andy Stevens, 68, a video producer and a founder of the Tea Party Patriots in Anacortes, Wash., [checked the box describing] Obama's race and and religion as "somewhat important" to members of his group because they remain troubled by what they see as the president's un-American and un-Christian behaviors."
"In Stevens's view, those include Obama's "socialist" policies and intentional failure to mention "the creator" when talking about inalienable rights." Does this suggest that Obama's race is important to Stevens?
I'll tell you, there has not been a more dividing president in modern history and I, personally, never had a racist moment in my life but when I see that 97% of blacks voted for Obama and still think he is doing a good job, I definately question their race-neutrality. I think it better to .just . leave . race. out . of . it. Clinton, WP, you dinks and 40% of America can do everything you can to discredit the TP but, news flash, the TP is simply a cross-section of America. When You attack the ideals of these people, you are attacking America. (We Americans get a little defensive about that)

Again with the screaming insults, in response to just hearing things you didn't want to hear. If the interviewers didn't get the answers you like, it must be their fault.

Never had a racist moment in your life? Let me guess: the next thing you'll tell us is 'some of my best friends are black.'

I remember you saying in another thread that honest and educated blacks didn't vote for Obama. Since you're now saying that 97% of blacks did in fact vote for him, you obviously believe that only 3% of black voters (at the very most) are honest and educated. And that's not racist......how?

[BATAAN]

It seems there are a lot of interest groups that are pissed at the Dems for not delivering as promised and I think that's the wild card. What will they do? Hold nose and vote for dem over reptilian, excuse me, GOP? Or say **** it and vote for the latest insane raving person to offer something different? Hopefully people will stay away from O'Donnell, Angle and Miller among others, but I haven't got a clue about anyone's vote but mine.
Ancient Chinese Curse: May you live in interesting times....

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

It seems there are a lot of interest groups that are pissed at the Dems for not delivering as promised and I think that's the wild card. What will they do? Hold nose and vote for dem over reptilian, excuse me, GOP? Or say **** it and vote for the latest insane raving person to offer something different? Hopefully people will stay away from O'Donnell, Angle and Miller among others, but I haven't got a clue about anyone's vote but mine.
Ancient Chinese Curse: May you live in interesting times....

You're right; that's an important wild card. But I'd say that candidates like Angle, O'Donnel, Paladino, et al are likely to scare (or tee off )some of those groups enough to get them to the polls anyway.

[wardd]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

It seems there are a lot of interest groups that are pissed at the Dems for not delivering as promised and I think that's the wild card. What will they do? Hold nose and vote for dem over reptilian, excuse me, GOP? Or say **** it and vote for the latest insane raving person to offer something different? Hopefully people will stay away from O'Donnell, Angle and Miller among others, but I haven't got a clue about anyone's vote but mine.
Ancient Chinese Curse: May you live in interesting times....

just like the reptilians quoting polls that said a majority of americans were against the health care bill, when in fact a lot of those thought it didn't do enough which was why they were against it

"the next thing you'll tell us is 'some of my best friends are black" - No, I don't really know any anymore - but they used to be. Do I seem racist to you?
"I remember you saying in another thread that honest and educated blacks didn't vote for Obama." If I did, I was generalizing. There are suredly also some honest and educated blacks that were duped, just as there were honest and educated whites who were duped. Since you're also claiming that 97% of blacks did vote for him, you obviously believe that only 3% of black voters (at the very most) are honest and educated. Probably not much more than 3% of people, in general, are honest and educated - hell, there's even some democrats in the sample. By definition, they are either dishonest or don't know their asses from holes in the ground.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mark775

"the next thing you'll tell us is 'some of my best friends are black" - No, I don't really know any anymore - but they used to be. Do I seem racist to you?
"I remember you saying in another thread that honest and educated blacks didn't vote for Obama." If I did, I was generalizing. There are suredly also some honest and educated blacks that were duped, just as there were honest and educated whites who were duped. Since you're also claiming that 97% of blacks did vote for him, you obviously believe that only 3% of black voters (at the very most) are honest and educated. Probably not much more than 3% of people, in general, are honest and educated - hell, there's even some democrats in the sample. By definition, they are either dishonest or don't know their asses from holes in the ground.

Well, you've confirmed my impression that you pretty much despise people in general, or most of them. I suspect that's because you're judging others by yourself.

I wouldn't say you're virulently racist. But you're generally very quick to bring race into a discussion. That's an indication to me you aren't as neutral as you like to consider yourself.

[BATAAN]

Originally Posted by wardd

just like the reptilians quoting polls that said a majority of americans were against the health care bill, when in fact a lot of those thought it didn't do enough which was why they were against it

That's what pissed me off about it. All I could think was "what the f--- did you do to my promised change in how I've been getting f---ed over by my HMO for so f---ing long? You gave what part of my future health plan away to those conspiring pieces of last week's goat cheese?" Yes, P.O.ed.
My friend just got back from Denmark (she speaks the language) and was raving about how it was the best country in the world as the government is actually there for the people of the country, not the the rich plutocratic elite, like here.
You get security, good jobs, total HC, maternity paid leave of 12 months, retirement with a generous pension no matter what job or jobs you did all your life and on and on. I had to ask her to stop as I was crying so hard the tears were drowning me and I can't afford to go to the doctor.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mark775

Funny we pulled the same **** out of that article and found differing importance.
The hypocrite deliberately left out "Creator" but says he is a Christian and went to church twice since president.

When and where did he 'leave out Creator'? And when did it become mandatory to mention the Creator whenever you talk about inalienable rights, or stand accused of not being a Christian?

edit: OK, I googled the 'when and where.' And I don't see what all the fuss is about. He wasn't directly quoting the Declaration of Indendence, so how can you say he left anything out?

I can't believe that people are actually up in arms about something as ridiculous as "he said we have inalienable rights in his speech (or proclamation), and didn't mention that they came from our Creator. That proves he isn't a Christian!! Waaaahhhhh......"

Please.

[wardd]

Originally Posted by BATAAN

That's what pissed me off about it. All I could think was "what the f--- did you do to my promised change in how I've been getting f---ed over by my HMO for so f---ing long? You gave what part of my future health plan away to those conspiring pieces of last week's goat cheese?" Yes, P.O.ed.
My friend just got back from Denmark (she speaks the language) and was raving about how it was the best country in the world as the government is actually there for the people of the country, not the the rich plutocratic elite, like here.
You get security, good jobs, total HC, maternity paid leave of 12 months, retirement with a generous pension no matter what job or jobs you did all your life and on and on. I had to ask her to stop as I was crying so hard the tears were drowning me and I can't afford to go to the doctor.

health care tied to jobs is a fluke of history

during ww2 wages and benefits were frozen so companies in order to lure workers started giving out benefits one of which was health care and as medicine couldn't do much for you it was cheap

well not so cheap anymore and still tied to work

that scion of liberalism otto bismark recognized in the 19th century the benefit to the state of a healthy workforce

[wardd]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/op...gman.html?_r=1

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by wardd

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/op...gman.html?_r=1

I certainly agree with this paragraph:

The tragedy here is that if voters do turn on Democrats, they will in effect be voting to make things even worse.

The resurgent Republicans have learned nothing from the economic crisis, except that doing everything they can to undermine Mr. Obama is a winning political strategy. Tax cuts and deregulation are still the alpha and omega of their economic vision.

If they were to take charge of the government, they would go right back to the policies that got us into this mess to begin with. If they manage to win just the House, that'll be enough to effectively bring government to a standstill for two years, because they're already managing to tie up the Senate even as a minority party.

I also agree that perhaps Obama should have pushed his agenda a little harder. In spite of the claims about him being so polarizing and divisive, he's actually been pretty careful about trying not to antagonize people any more than necessary. Which is pointless; I think it's obvious by now that nothing he does or doesn't do will please his critics. They're professional attack dogs.

For example, remember all the screaming and carrying on about Obama trying to brainwash our children, because he gave them a nice little speech about doing their homework and taking personal responsibility for their own future? You'd have thought he handed out brown shirts in every classroom, and taught them the Nazi salute....

[wardd]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I certainly agree with this paragraph:

The tragedy here is that if voters do turn on Democrats, they will in effect be voting to make things even worse.

The resurgent Republicans have learned nothing from the economic crisis, except that doing everything they can to undermine Mr. Obama is a winning political strategy. Tax cuts and deregulation are still the alpha and omega of their economic vision.

If they were to take charge of the government, they would go right back to the policies that got us into this mess to begin with. If they manage to win just the House, that'll be enough to effectively bring government to a standstill for two years, because they're already managing to tie up the Senate even as a minority party.

I also agree that perhaps Obama should have pushed his agenda a little harder. In spite of the claims about him being so polarizing and divisive, he's actually been pretty careful about trying not to antagonize people any more than necessary. Which is pointless; I think it's obvious by now that nothing he does or doesn't do will please his critics. They're professional attack dogs.

For example, remember all the screaming and carrying on about Obama trying to brainwash our children, because he gave them a nice little speech about doing their homework and taking personal responsibility for their own future? You'd have thought he handed out brown shirts in every classroom, and taught them the Nazi salute....

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