Maybe Massalai was right after all

[masrapido]

Well, tough. There's nothing you can do about me speaking my mind except disagree and provide evidence in your favour.

[BPL]

I feel sorry for the gullible and paranoid.

[masrapido]

Beat me to it, BPL...

It is sad how many people believe the official, forest gump's version of events, when it is clear who is behind it.

We could just pull the planes out and point out the absence of colours and insignia on the tails, that identifies civil planes 2000 metres away from each other. Planes hitting the towers were all plain gray, and they even did not have any windows.

As you would expect from military planes to be.

Then, there's the fact that a B-25 hit empire state building (there's a hint in this name: "empire state" = usa. Who else would use such a name in a "democracy"...?) which only dented the building a little.

The towers were designed for just such an event, after learning the lessons from the B-25. On top of that, structural engineers arund the world got together to denounce the event as a controlled demolition, not a result of planes hitting them.

One indisputable argument, among many, was the fact that both planes hit the towers with an angle and if anything was to fall, it should have been only the top of one of the towers, but since the towers were designed to withstand much larger impacts, there was simply no way anything would collapse.

Yet, they fell like paper towers.

A large number of outstanding professionals from a number of engineering and other professions agreed that the official version is a lie. They are all highly educated and trained people, international experts in their fields, not lunatics or anonimous members of boatdesign forum.

http://ae911truth.org/

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

forest gump on the other side, there's a lunatic at large. A war criminal and a human rights biggest abuser ever.

[BPL]

I think the reporting of all the professional news agencies:

NBC news
ABC news
CBS news
PBS newshour
CNN
The New York Times
the majority of the victims families
the majority of the people in the country
the majority of law enforcement and firefighters who were on site

were correct, not your conspiracy theory websites

I am afraid you have been mislead masrapido by the kooks.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by masrapido

You should have saved yourself the trouble and look it up better...

"Illegal alien" is a LEGAL term used in the usa ONLY. In European Community, and most of the other countries in the world, the official, legal term used is different and it depends on the visa or status of a foreigner in one of those countries.

I do not know of another country that uses this ("legal" or "illegal" "alien") silly terminology.

That is not to say that there aren't, but I don't know which, if any, country does.

Maybe Canada...?

Sting's parody springs to mind now.

"I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien... I'm an Englishman in New York."

Priceless.

Oh, please.

The reason the Germans don't use the particular term 'illegal alien' is because they happen to speak German, rather than English. But trust me: their laws definitely differentiate between residents who are in the country legally and those who aren't.

It isn't as though Americans invented the word 'alien,' you know -- much less the concept. Note that in the dictionary definition below, the first usage of the word as a noun fits the one used in US law. Then note the roots of the word: they reach back thousands of years, beyond the Romans to the ancient Indo-European ancestors of western language...

[quote]a·li·en (l-n, lyn)
adj.
1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.
noun.
1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.
5. Ecology An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.
tr.v. a·li·ened, a·li·en·ing, a·li·ens Law
To transfer (property) to another; alienate.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin alinus, from alius, other; see al-1 in Indo-European roots.]

[michael pierzga]

Sure, undocumented workers, illegal aliens are not tolerated in Europe.

Once again I find it odd that industrialized rich countries preach free trade in goods and services ,but when it comes to people , the term illegal is used.

Natrually people from developing countries must be regulated or a host country could be overwhelmed with cheap workers or overwhelmed with people who cannot thrive in a free society.
. Germans dont work cheap in the US, Americans dont work cheap in Europe. Why the barriers to movememnet.

Never made sense to me.

[troy2000]

Update on the German arsonist in L.A.: his mother's legal troubles have nothing to do with her immigration status. She was arrested here at the request of the German government, on 19 counts of fraud back in Frankfurt, Germany. Those counts include not paying for a boob job, and stealing security deposits from renters.

So maybe her loving son should have gone home to start his fires, instead of hating America for his mother's troubles....

[masalai]

Wow and a couple of days and NOTHING related to thread topic = Loosely on GEC ??? But fun to read. - - Bostons signature comes to mind....

[masalai]

Is this review by Caser Research "in the ballpark" ? http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/201...or-springboard - -
- - The predictions ignore, but the past performances, a reasonable summary ?
- - Then what else would you consider for 2012? as for general trends ?

[masrapido]

[quote=troy2000;514405]Oh, please.

The reason the Germans don't use the particular term 'illegal alien' is because they happen to speak German, rather than English. But trust me: their laws definitely differentiate between residents who are in the country legally and those who aren't.

It isn't as though Americans invented the word 'alien,' you know -- much less the concept. Note that in the dictionary definition below, the first usage of the word as a noun fits the one used in US law. Then note the roots of the word: they reach back thousands of years, beyond the Romans to the ancient Indo-European ancestors of western language...

a·li·en (l-n, lyn)
adj.
1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.
noun.
1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.
5. Ecology An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.
tr.v. a·li·ened, a·li·en·ing, a·li·ens Law
To transfer (property) to another; alienate.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin alinus, from alius, other; see al-1 in Indo-European roots.]

Oh, please....

The reason Germans do not use the term il/legal alien is not because they speak German.

It is because in their legal language the terms are different. I looked that up on the German immigration page and there it says nicely "legal immigrants", or "illegal immigrants".

The only two other countries that use term "alien" are Latvia and UK. However, they use it in a different legal context. In Latvia the term is primarily used for Russians residing in Latvia but without the right to vote. If you went to Latvia as a permanent resident, you would be categorised as an immigrant.

In the UK, the term is reserved for a description of people who are not UK citizens, Ireland citizens, citizens of any of the Commonwealth countries or British-protected persons. These "aliens" are different to immigrants, hence the use of the word cannot be considered the same. I looked that up as well, but could not find a clear definition on the UK government pages. From what is there, the feel is that "alien" is a generic person (anyone) not fitting the above list. If such a person receives a residence status in the UK, they become immigrants. Not "aliens".

If you were to trade with an UK company, you would be an "alien". But, if you asked for a political asylum, you would be a refugee. If you receive a residence in UK, you would become an immigrant.

[troy2000]

[quote=masrapido;514611]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Oh, please.

The reason the Germans don't use the particular term 'illegal alien' is because they happen to speak German, rather than English. But trust me: their laws definitely differentiate between residents who are in the country legally and those who aren't.

It isn't as though Americans invented the word 'alien,' you know -- much less the concept. Note that in the dictionary definition below, the first usage of the word as a noun fits the one used in US law. Then note the roots of the word: they reach back thousands of years, beyond the Romans to the ancient Indo-European ancestors of western language...



Oh, please....

The reason Germans do not use the term il/legal alien is not because they speak German.

It is because in their legal language the terms are different. I looked that up on the German immigration page and there it says nicely "legal immigrants", or "illegal immigrants".

The only two other countries that use term "alien" are Latvia and UK. However, they use it in a different legal context. In Latvia the term is primarily used for Russians residing in Latvia but without the right to vote. If you went to Latvia as a permanent resident, you would be categorised as an immigrant.

In the UK, the term is reserved for a description of people who are not UK citizens, Ireland citizens, citizens of any of the Commonwealth countries or British-protected persons. These "aliens" are different to immigrants, hence the use of the word cannot be considered the same. I looked that up as well, but could not find a clear definition on the UK government pages. From what is there, the feel is that "alien" is a generic person (anyone) not fitting the above list. If such a person receives a residence status in the UK, they become immigrants. Not "aliens".

If you were to trade with an UK company, you would be an "alien". But, if you asked for a political asylum, you would be a refugee. If you receive a residence in UK, you would become an immigrant.

What's your point? Are you trying to say that American laws referring to someone as an alien resident instead of a foreign resident, legal or illegal, are somehow demeaning? If so, you're getting hung up on mindless semantic nitpicking.

It makes about as much sense as the immigration activists insisting people who sneak across the border are 'undocumented' rather than here illegally, as though they simply forgot to sign the register when they checked in. It doesn't change reality: they're still aliens, and they're still here illegally.

[masalai]

Ed Steer at Casey Research has been busy with heaps of links and some solid increases in the price of gold and silver, but beware as the manipulation continues... http://www.caseyresearch.com/gsd/edi...-i-missed-lows

A humbling cartoon?

[masalai]

http://www.gata.org/node/10847 - - - INSIDER TRADING at Government level (actually above government level) ?

[masalai]

http://www.caseyresearch.com/gsd/edi...run-its-course ""We're still 'locked and loaded' for a big run to the upside, if that's what the Commercial traders in the Comex futures market want to see happen." " - - - That may be the case but that is not to say there will not be some SAVAGE fluctuations in the markets, now is fast approaching the MAD season (mad insane as well as mutually assured destruction) as various "children" prepare to run home and take their ball too, or something even more stupid - whothefuckknows..........

A prayer request from the South End Baptist Church........

[masrapido]

[quote=troy2000;514637]

Originally Posted by masrapido

What's your point? Are you trying to say that American laws referring to someone as an alien resident instead of a foreign resident, legal or illegal, are somehow demeaning? If so, you're getting hung up on mindless semantic nitpicking.

It makes about as much sense as the immigration activists insisting people who sneak across the border are 'undocumented' rather than here illegally, as though they simply forgot to sign the register when they checked in. It doesn't change reality: they're still aliens, and they're still here illegally.

Well, if you can't remember what was my point, have a look at you post 680 and then at my reply at 681. It should be simple...