Last voyage for Costa Concordia cruise ship

[Mr Efficiency]

Originally Posted by Ad Hoc

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Whilst i understand your sentiments, the 2 hours is very poor.

All ships, under SOLAS regulation 21 section 1.4, must launch the full compliment within 30mins.

So 2hours is very poor and hence questions shall be raised why...was it design, poor manning by the crew, or a combination of the two.

How about they were waiting on the Captain's order ?

[Yobarnacle]

if they were waiting on the captain, he was already in the life boat wrapped in a blanket.

[Mr Efficiency]

Captain says the ship hit an uncharted rock, where charts showed clear water, then he beached it closer inshore. But getting into that lifeboat early is a bad look.

[FMS]

They are talking about future design and stability implications caused by this at Costa Concordia, 80 deg list, really scary !!

[Yobarnacle]

I ran a small paddlewheeler on upper mississippi one year, 150 passengers, 2 hour excursions separated by half hour at dock for debark and embarkation. Started 9am. Finshed 1:30 am.
There are predatory women who "collect" men. A uniformed captain seems to attract them.
Maybe the captain was distracted.
Anyway, I doubt he'll repeat his errors. Doubt anybody will give him a future chance. Career finished likely. Red over Red

[michael pierzga]

Originally Posted by daiquiri

This is Giglio Porto town. Two lighthouses are visible and so are the two small rocky islands which have torn the Costa Concordia's hull:




This chart also shows that there are four lighthouses on the island - two at the entrance of the port and two at the northernmost and southernmost points of the island:

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Michael, perhaps you and the captain of Costa Concordia are using the same charts...

Of course Giglio has lights !! but not on outlying islands

[michael pierzga]

Originally Posted by Ad Hoc

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Whilst i understand your sentiments, the 2 hours is very poor.

All ships, under SOLAS regulation 21 section 1.4, must launch the full compliment within 30mins.

So 2hours is very poor and hence questions shall be raised why...was it design, poor manning by the crew, or a combination of the two.

It is very dangerous to evacuate a cruise ship. Elderly people and children could be casualties even with best practice I can understand the captain waiting till the last minute to abandon. In general the only rapid abandon ship maneuvers are for fire.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

It is very dangerous to evacuate a cruise ship. Elderly people and children could be casualties even with best practice I can understand the captain waiting till the last minute to abandon. In general the only rapid abandon ship maneuvers are for fire.

Michael is correct. You abandon as last resort. However, considering the MASSIVE damage and immediate 20 degree list, and eventual 80 degree list, I can't say abandoning ship was error.

I imagine there will be a hydrographic survey along their track which will either discover an uncharted rock, or discover the capt a liar. We'll wait and see.

[michael pierzga]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Michael is correct. You abandon as last resort. However, considering the MASSIVE damage and immediate 20 degree list, and eventual 80 degree list, I can't say abandoning ship was error.

I imagine there will be a hydrographic survey along their track which will either discover an uncharted rock, or discover the capt a liar. We'll wait and see.

Every captain claims UNCHARTED ROCK when they auger in !!!!!!! I don't presently have an Italian Rules of Navigation resource on the Boat ,but typically it is prohibited to operate motor driven craft within 300 meters of the coast. This is because underwater dangers are simply not known . Imagine the complexity of CHAIN DRAGGING the complete coastline of the world !!!!!!!!!!!
For those who dont know the term CHAIN DRAG...it means a Hydrographic ship literally drags a chain from the ship ,at a set depth, to guarantee that there are no unknown dangers to navigation on the seabed..

The Costa captain was simply to close to the coast. He hit the island.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

Every captain claims UNCHARTED ROCK when they auger in !!!!!!! I don't presently have an Italian Rules of Navigation resource on the Boat ,but typically it is prohibited to operate motor driven craft within 300 meters of the coast. This is because underwater dangers are simply not known . Imagine the complexity of CHAIN DRAGGING the complete coastline of the world !!!!!!!!!!!
For those who dont know the term CHAIN DRAG...it means a Hydrographic ship literally drags a chain from the ship ,at a set depth, to guarantee that there are no unknown dangers to navigation on the seabed..

The Costa captain was simply to close to the coast. He hit the island.

Concur 100%

[Mr Efficiency]

The uncharted rock is stuck in the hull now. So it remains uncharted.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Mr Efficiency

The uncharted rock is stuck in the hull now. So it remains uncharted.

concur 100%

[daiquiri]

Originally Posted by Angélique

We haven't seen the other side and bottom yet . . .

It is a big mess: http://www.corriere.it/gallery/crona...36ee96.shtml#1

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

The Costa captain was simply to close to the coast. He hit the island.

If he was doing about 15 knots, then squat could be a contributory factor.
If there is a section of steep bank or vertical rock face, then the ship could be
pulled in towards rocks.

Just guessing.

[Mr Efficiency]

I just see a TV story with the cap'n saying the ship "was going sideways when it hit the rock". Hello ?