Last voyage for Costa Concordia cruise ship

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

Because Americans carry weapons everywhere, talk about guns, run presidential campaigns on guns, glorify guns in the movies, export guns to Mexican drug dealers, have an astonomical handgun murder rate and think they need guns to be safe when zipping out for a bite to eat . . Its a fetish.. Old ladies boarding planes with forgotten handguns in their purse ???? Simply unheard of in my world or anywhere else in the developed world. . Almost a joke.

Please relate this to Italian seaman ?. .

Instead of considering the murder rate by handgun, it might be more instructive to look at a country's overall murder rate. In spite of the fact that it's flooded with firearms, the United States' per capita murder rate is only twentieth in the world - and the other nineteen all have stricter gun laws than the US does. That should tell you the weapon used is merely a matter of convenience, rather than being a prime factor. Where guns are available, murderers use guns. Where they aren't, murderers use knives, hammers, cars, poison or whatever is handy.

The folks who like to carry on about America's murder rate also tend to ignore the fact that most murders here are the result of criminals targeting criminals. If you aren't involved in gang activity involving drug trafficking or other crimes, or unfortunate enough to be an innocent bystander in the relatively few neighborhoods where that sort of activity is rampant, your chances of getting shot are almost non-existent, percentage-wise.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if the government confiscated every gun I own, it wouldn't stop a single drive-by shooting in Los Angeles -- because I'm not the one committing them.

[Milehog]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

Because Americans carry weapons everywhere, talk about guns, run presidential campaigns on guns, glorify guns in the movies, export guns to Mexican drug dealers, have an astonomical handgun murder rate and think they need guns to be safe when zipping out for a bite to eat . . Its a fetish.. Old ladies boarding planes with forgotten handguns in their purse ???? Simply unheard of in my world or anywhere else in the developed world. . Almost a joke.

Please relate this to Italian seaman ?. .

OK, I'll spell it out.
You dish out stereotypes but get uncomfortable when they come your way. Capiche?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Milehog

OK, I'll spell it out.
You dish out streotypes but get uncomfortable when they come your way. Capiche?

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Milehog again."

Well, I tried.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

Because Americans carry weapons everywhere, talk about guns, run presidential campaigns on guns, glorify guns in the movies, export guns to Mexican drug dealers, have an astonomical handgun murder rate and think they need guns to be safe when zipping out for a bite to eat . . Its a fetish.. Old ladies boarding planes with forgotten handguns in their purse ???? Simply unheard of in my world or anywhere else in the developed world. . Almost a joke.
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Michael,
If you don't like guns, you don't have to own one. But please don't post erroneous statistics like "ASRTONOMICAL" gun deaths.

http://www.disastercenter.com/cdc/Ag...ex%202005.html

gun homicide 4.2 per 100,000 population

fatal automobile crash 15.2 per 100k pop

hiv 4.2 per 100k pop

death by doctor error, 3rd after heart attack and cancer
http://www.naturodoc.com/library/pub...ause_death.htm

Doctors are more dangerous than guns, HIV and car accidents put together.

thanks for maintaining objectivity.

[seewolfbarney]

Very interesting post here:

Costa Concordia, 80 deg list, really scary !!

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One question is: Why did the Costa Concordia, after surviving first contact incident, lose more buoyancy and trim more on stern?
Grounding aft? No, the grounding took place (if it took place?) 1 hr after first incident and, due vessel's shape, bottom of compartments aft (above props) will not touch bottom. I think any contact vessel/shore was midship.
Open watertight door's between engine rooms/store rooms aft causing progressive flooding? I think yes!
Many big, diesel electric, luxury cruise liners built after 2000 have really stupidly arranged sterns with store rooms in three compartments on two decks connected by watertight doors (not as per SOLAS!) ... and also allowing entry inte the engine room (for spare parts, maintenance, etc.?).
Actually the whole hull fwd engine rooms is also stupidly arranged with crew cabins on two decks in 8-10 watertight compartments with doors in every bulkhead. Such ships are not SOLAS and unseaworthy at any instance.
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[Jolly Amaranto]

I find it interesting that when hosting guests at our family's "ranch" in Central Texas, the ones who are visiting from other countries like the UK, Germany, France and Russia can't wait get out and fire some guns. They seem to find them fascinating.

Back to ship design, I would hope that there will be many changes to new vessels coming off the drawing boards from now on, due to the lessons learned from the Costa Concordia disaster.

[SheetWise]

I see Michael's point -- and it would have been better if the "T" in "the captain" was capitalized. That's the way I read in either case. Jokes are inevitable.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Milehog again."

Well, I tried.

I succeeded.

[Hawkboat]

Originally Posted by Angélique

I was afraid it was photoshopped, but that one seems to realy exist . . . .

According to Wiki she's ‘‘A robustly designed contemporary fishing boat’’

Cheers,
Angel

There's worse where I live. Goverment mandated length restrictions = obscene growth in the other two dimensions.

[Milehog]

Originally Posted by Hawkboat

There's worse where I live. Goverment mandated length restrictions = obscene growth in the other two dimensions.

The proportions of these rule beaters remind of the miniature 10 foot ocean going sailboats we see.

[peter radclyffe]

the findings from the ships black box have been released,just before the crash the captain is clearly heard saying,

its time to put a reef in

[michael pierzga]

Last week a pair of JUMBO tugs made a port call, spent the night, then steamed EAST. Perhaps some Concordia action is happening soon ?

[seewolfbarney]

There is a new video - the minutes after the first incident:

http://news.discovery.com/human/vide...in-120211.html

[seewolfbarney]

Beginning to de-fuel the wrecked vessel:

http://www.stern.de/panorama/costa-c...mpaign=sternde

(german)

[rxcomposite]

There is supposed to be a documentary by National Geographic on the Concordia. It was flashed on TV yesterday but missed it today. Anybody got a link?