Israel

If the Pope wasnt Catholic there would be rubbish bins on the London Underground

 

----- errrrm --- nope you got me there. I havnt a clue.

 

IRA put bombs in rubbish bins in London
If the Pope was a protestant or anything else they would not be at war with the UK
therefore when people asked me why they are no rubbish bins in public places in the UK the answer is;
Because the Pope's a Catholic
( In the late 90's they did creep out again but any scare and they are gone)

 

Oh !!

 

Your assuming Israel is doomed, I give it a pretty good chance of survival. Also there's nothing to make me think that if the country did get hit by a nuke they wouldn't just move over into Iran for a while till it cleared up. Or the Sinai or anywhere else they damn well pleased where they could oversea the clean up operations. No mater what happens, Israel is here to stay. Its military is by far superior to anything in the area and they are going to strike first rather than wait for anyone to drop a nuke on them.

Iran has no clue what they are getting into. But they are about to get a taste. Also why would we take out there infrastructure if we're only going in for a surgical strike. Thats not how it works. A quick in and out, with just enough force to ensure everyone's safely sitting at the breakfast table by 8:00 am, pictures of wrecked centrifuges and spilled ponds in hand. Hell we might even make off with there fissionable material and save them the trouble of having to clean up any contamination.

No mater how you slice it someone is going in to take out there nuclear capability. Negotiations are just a gimmick, something to make you think our wonderful politicians have a clue as to what to do.

My bet is they have a mock up complex already built and they're practicing different assault strategies even as we speak. The only real question is how accurate is there knowledge of the site and how flexible are the assaulting forces to unforeseen defenses. My bet is they'll have waves of attacking forces/demolitions specialists who can push forward regardless of resistance. Hardened sights are pretty much just one big fat target under modern military doctrine

A dozen or so bunker busters all nice and neatly placed one on top of another followed up by a few Daisey cutters to clear out the ensuing rabble. Would probably take care of most of it. The rest being mostly a mop up and assessment. I'd think most of the action would entail suppression. Damn I've been listening to my military friends way to much, I'm even starting to sound like them. Deal is its a no brainer. Iran isn't ever going to have a nuke and I'm thinking somewhere in there the Iranians know that. Maybe the whole thing is just waving a carrot, no telling till the fur flies.

 

Is Israel doomed...Hmmm. Good question.

Israel is an unequal state. 18 families control 60 percent of market equity. Without equality you will soon have regular Israelis going into battle to protect the rich folks.

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/t...ilies-control-60-of-nations-corporate-equity/

Then consider that it is a religious state and uses this religion to rally its solders. Normally the enemy comes from within for Religious states

 

Thats the point-you dont have to be militarily superior when you have nukes, thats why its so attractive. I really dont see your suggestion that Israel can just nip over to Iran for the clean up.

But you do destroy infrastructure, you did in Iraq and Afganistan then had to stay 10 years to get it going again but never did , the quality of life made it impossible.

Have you changed tactics now then.

You did the same with Vietnam, how can a country recover with thousands of land mines left over to this day.

Taking this into consideration I see no differerence.

Israel is a pain in the but to all nations I would not rely on US allience in this case.

There is little argument that Israel is of any use to anyone.

They are like a bad tennant that wont pay or leave or do as they are told but still need water and electricity.

Its not your Military buddies that make tactical decisions, Its politicians without prior experience usually.

 

Not all Israelis.
IIRC, the ultra-orthodox are exempt from compulsory military service.

 

I'm thinking the mission is totally different so the damage you might expect would be different as well. No sense taking out water plants, power, bridges when it will be over before they could move anything anyway. I'd expect a very fast operation. This isn't regime change, its a surgical strike. Get in get out. Or at least thats what I'd expect for minimal casualties.

Israel isn't a pain in the but to everyone, the've got some pretty savvy foriegn relations. Hell they've held up the Russians from coming through on a contract to sell Iran there latest SA missiles until after the raid. Or at least one article I read said that. Another pointed out that Israeli finagling has held back the Arab tide for this long, no reason to expect it to fail now. As of yet Iran has no nukes and the key thing here is to see that it never gets them. Ergo we aren't dealing with a nuclear power.

While I'm pretty sure we have opposing views of the Israeli's, I think we might both agree that there not going to sit by and just let Iran launch a bomb

 

A random story about flying on El Al:

I was standing in a line for the bathroom at the back of the plane flying from Tel Aviv to Barcelona. I was standing there, as number 4 in the line with 3 people ahead of me.

Number 5 in the line, one of the guys with the hats and stuff (orthodox) just starts pushing on my back. He just gave it a light push, then another one, then another one... then started increasing the pushing power a little each time.

I nearly turned around and hit him, though my brain came to the rescue and remembered that I was a guest in their culture and was not even on a USA bound flight.

I think Israel's political posturing is a lot like that guy on the plane.

 

Ive never seen 'Made in Israel' on anything. Or an Israely car or bank.


I think US keeps paying them to stay there.

Its hundreds of years that a country has been measured by its military might but now its by its world contribution.

I don't think they have a stock market. They cost US billions --for what.

I think US will pull the plug and is looking forward to it. Israel may then finally decide to negotiate when its not holding the hand of its big brother.

This would be a good opportunity for US to reset the playing field and its association with Israel. I think US has been looking for an excuse to do so for a while.

There has been some pretty interesting Rhetoric coming from the Whitehouse over the last decade.

 

they definitely have a stock market, The US is not paying them to stay there and they manufacture tons of stuff, weapons, high tech, they also export mountains of fruits and vegetables, If it weren't for the expense of maintaining a constant state of vigilance and for the drains on the economy to maintain the camps it would be a very prosperous country. I'm pretty sure they rank very high in the developed nations list. That and its on a steady growth curve. I read somewhere a UN report that the cost to maintain security around the camps is something like 50 billion a year in men and equipment. The US will never pull the plug on them, can't imagine what might make you even suggest it and who exactly would we realign ourselves with if we did. The Arab nations detest us other than for a few puppet gubments. Even at that its a very shaky relationship.

No way will the Iranians ever get a bomb. Not even its Arab neighbors want that. Whoever has to be the bad guy and go in to take out that capability is probably going to get a thank you note from every regime in the area, privately, publicly I'm sure there will be some saber rattling

and this is going to go over big
UN INSPECTORS BARED FROM KEY IRANIAN NUCLEAR SITE. that just also happens to be deep underground and on a military base.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17122738

 

Agreed Frosty, just recently we had the overheard sound bite of B. Obama and Sarkozy declaring a common dislike for dealing with Israel leader Net... because the guys a cronic liar.
Let's also not forget that modern day terrorist tactics against civilian 'soft' targets were introduced by illegal Jewish settlers against both the Brits and Arabs in post war Palestine.

Result of this action and the 1949 UN Palestine mandate is a world struggling to cope with 30 yrs of terrorism that's due wholly to the existance of Israel and Israel's illegal displacement of a country's traditional culture, its people and those people's basic right to retain their resources like wells and grazing rights all backed by the US who have been mindless till recent times of the ongoing repercussions affecting the rest of the world.

Perhaps since events of 9/11 and now B Obama's administration seemingly more independent of the gnomes of Israel and its US backers that we may see the US may finally withdraw support allowing a more level playing field so forcing Israel to capitulate instead of being the arrogant mongrel Boston terrier barking from behind the Pit bull.

 

For those mindless / brain dead religious ****** that are jacking this post..bugger off

If you want to spiel your droll & effluent start your own post and don't hold your breath waiting for responses...nah...cancel that...hold your breath

 

It would probably be best to take the religious and political posts to another forum. The purpose of this site is to provide a place where people can all enjoy coming to enjoy discussion on the common interest of boat design, boatbuilding, boats and boating, no matter what their diverse backgrounds.

Here is a list of other forums where political topics would be welcome:
https://www.google.com/search?q=politics forum

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