Israel

Maybe it's time to bring Ollie North in to sort out the current mess.
I remember when the USA, Israel, and Iranians played nicely together.

 

Jimmy Carter changed all that.

 

I'm not thinking fear has all that much to do with whats going on in the middle east right now, The US gubment really doesn't have that much to fear other than an relatively minor escalation of relatively minor conflict. The Iranians are just a thorn in the lions paw and the lions about ready to pluck it out.

I'm about as convinced they are all that close to a nuclear weapon as I am that Husein had weapons of mass destruction. Something tells me we could sit back and wait until they blow themselves up a few times before we really had much to worry about. But I suppose that lion is going to pluck that thorn long before it gets infected.

I just feel badly for the people involved, families of the guys working at the plant or plants, servicemen who's families have to worry about them wondering if they're coming home.

Israel might have a reason to be nervous, surrounded by hostiles pretty much sucks. But even then I'm not sure fear is what best describes that thought process either. Maybe prudent or cautious, but they know they have the stronger forces and that they could pull off whatever raid or incursion they felt like. Oh they screw up every once in a while, happens, but I'll bet they put enough layers on this one the chances of disaster are minimized.

All in all a religious take on it isn't going to accomplish much. Never does, Zeul be praised, but a rational look at the players, there capabilities, there goals, stated intentions, might just map out some upcoming events pretty clearly. Everything I'm reading from the propaganda machine would suggest that an attack is imminent this spring sometime, regardless of any last minute footwork.

Oh well, Its all a great example of gubment completely out of control and a political machine thats so completely inept it can't operate by anything other than brute force.

 

Greetings,

Read a recent article from a guy named Eric Peters, them main points were about definitions and trying to get everyone on the same page before discourse begins.

Hope you men quit infering that I'm using religeon for doing evil. The points brought up by me have relevence concerning justice to others, peace, and avoiding unnecessary conflict.

Many of you take this matter lightly and some even mock, but all actions have consequences. Many times the decievees pay a higher price than the decievers.

 

You are inferring a religious content to a complex strategic struggle.

Religion is insignificant to the issue and only serves to cloud the issue.

Religion is used by populist leaders to rally the will of the people when logic will not work.

 

Secondly,

Taking sides such as Democrats vs Republicans is acting childish of how governments actually work. Obama is a continuation of Bush2, who was a continuation of Clintion, etc.

"Money is the root of all evil". Fact: men behind the curtains manipulate other men for purposes of decieving them to gain fortunes. That is what is happening with Isreal.

Talking about philosophy, good intentions, and your views of religeon are distractions from the matter at hand. You know where my authority rests and there is nothing to hide. There is a just way to resolve conflict with others, Scripture shows how, this is brought forward to you.

Some hate the one true God, so refuse to listen. Thats called being "willfully ignorant", a concscious mental effort to abstain from truth requiring a change of mind & conduct. In other words, you're choosing to be stupid on purpose.

 

Micheal,

If someone has a belief, does that mean he cant comment on a subject?
Should I exclude you because your beliefs are wrong?
Who made you authority over accrediting others?

Comments like that show a false superiority complex and unless they are nipped they begin to grow with contempt towards others, resulting in the situation we have with Isreal that could possibly lead to many deaths.

Thoughts and words are the most powerful weapons God has given mankind, before anything else happens an idea is created and then people begin to speak and act upon it.

Peace

 

Its nice to finally not be the only Zeulian on this site, Welcome brother and be at peace, know that our authority is supreme, death to the infidels. Praise be to Zeul. ) ya gotta do the hands towards the sky thing every time, or it just doesn't carry the same weight with the almighty.

 

Ok I'm going to go to my wallet, open it up, and million of dollars will spill out of it. Cmon Zeul, be there for me brother.

 

Goodwill total, your scared, your are unable to grasp the magnificence of life and how it happened but in your ignorance of it( probably bad teachers) you prefer to find it easier to believe in gods. Most people grow out of this 60's religious education we all had.

Life is better if you understand evolution, it is truely magnificent and all makes sense without need of faith. Life is yours, you dont have to spend half of it thanking gods of which there are thousands to choose from. It would be arrogant to think yours is the real one, but then you probably do.

You will die like the rest of us and you will go to where you came from before you were born, that is nothing. Its disappointing that you wont frolic in early morning dew gossamer ed meadows but, well thats life if you'lle forgive the pun.

Stand on your own 2 feet take life and enjoy the hell out of it. Don't hide behind religion for guidance or forgiveness , be responsible for you own actions. Pass on your genes and die like a 'Man' as you were given life to do.

Switzerland is reported to be 90% atheist, they have little crime to speak of, they are considered to enjoy the highest quality of life on the planet, are they choosing stupidity.

 

Damn Frosty ole man, now we're going to have to burn you at the stake, ( my bad )

 

I have respect for all religions. They were conceived as a way to promote social cohesion and have accomplished this. All great civilizations have beliefs, religion.

Trouble arises when one religion attempts to spread to another society organized under a different religion. This is why religion must be a private matter...not a way to organize modern society . Any Politician or world leader who even mentions religion is dangerous and should be rejected.

 

Ha well!!! I have little respect for people who dedicate their whole life to nonsense unless they are getting huge wages from the ignorant masses,--- like the popes.

They have accomplished social cohesion? where ?

Show me religion and ille show you social mayhem and I include USA.

Religion must never be private, thats the problem thinking one thing and saying another does not make social harmony.

I have made just as much effort to understand the 2 main religions Islam and Christian. Islam is a more social religion but is misenterpreted and worse is allowed to be. Christians have been evil and are just as intolerant of any other.

Christians are just as intolerant within there own house Catholic , protestants Jews all the same flavour but yet insist on being different ---why? money power.

It was the early church that banned books for fear of knowledge getting to people and wising up ,---note Goodwill the church doe'snt want you reading evolution books --you may wise up.

Any way spent enough time on this going to enjoy myself for a bit. Dropping stink bombs through the back window of the mosque. Last time it did it they didnt even notice.

 

I find that almost anyone who continually needs rituals/mythology to relearn the lessons of any given religion is most likely stuck in the dogma of it all, rather than actually gaining from the lessons presented. Its an unfortunate reality that the previous describes the vast majority of people "practicing" any given religion. Every once in a blue moon you bump into someone who transcends the dogma and finds some form of spiritual awakening but its rare. Most prefer to get up in front of everyone else and make a good show of it. If they were really all that confident in there belief system, they wouldn't need to brow beat anyone with it. Which leads us back to the folks who insist on dragging there particular flavor of religion into every bloody conversation. Its rude and annoying. We've all got our belief systems, no reason to go off on it every chance you get.

Praise be to Zeul ( waves hands at the sky )



Oh and thats Gozer not Zeul, Gozer looks better, and since the key to a viable god is a nice set of knockers then I guess I'm switching to Gozer ( waves hands in the air )

 

well hopefully thats over with and we can get back to discussing Israel and its rather unique position in the world.

looks like the plot thickens with more and more people being arrested in connection with the recent attacks on Israel by Iran

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17099998