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the difference Frosty is that this time there isn't some vague assumptions being made by US ( cough, spit, hack ) intelligence. Its Iran's own statements that have driven this menagerie of political strife. I'm not sure who mentioned it but the bit about it all being some game to drive up the extortion money for "not" producing a nuclear weapon, seemed like a very real possibility. In either case, if its just a ploy to gain financial support or if its really some demented effort to bomb Israel; the present level of media propaganda would indicate that an attack is imminent, regardless of what the truth is.

 

It wasnt a vague assumption last time with Iraq it was confirmed WOMD bomb now immediately.

Israel is a tiny place, its too small to Nuke, Syria and Libyia Egypt would be real mad --but come to think about it are not in a good position to respond right now Hmmmm

 

The issue is not blowing up Isreal...its the Sunni ,***** balance of power in the region. Iran goes nuclear, then Saudi Arabia will follow. The Saudis are truely dangerous, radical and their corrupt, incestuous , society is living on borrowed time.

 

You forgot hypocritical.

 

Greetings,

Isreal is not going to be attacked by Iran, when they stop bombing Iranian scientists, creating computer viruses, killing diplomats, threatening war, etc., Iran will stop and reciprocate in a like manner.

The main problem Iran has with Isreal is the Palestinian issue. I have many Jewish friends, they know that aparthied in Isreal has to stop. The largest group for war are so called "christians" who claim "god gave them the land through the abrahamic covenant" and therefore its OK to destroy, pillage and murder arabs (they are not part of the chosen race). Neocons (both republican and democrat) profit from war and lustily seek it out, as they are not willing to toil with their hands to recieve gain, so rather lie and decieve to convince others to do thier evil bidding.

The men on the ground suffer all the losses while your rulers subtly avoid notice and take the plunder.

Iran has repeatedly said their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes and by signing the UN nonproliferation plan, they as well as all other countries have a right to peaceful use of nuclear technology. The US, Isreal, and NATO are coming up with manufactured reasons for war in Persia.

Iran has a large Jewish population and jewish friends who lived thier said "its wasnt a bad place to live but moved as a result of better opportunities elsewhere". Start a friendship with the Persian people and think of them as people with similar wants and desires, quit wrongly assuming a superior complex for yourselves, then you will be able to gain a friend rather than an enemy.

My earthly family has lost members, land, wealth, and peace as a result of listening to war mongers. I have a particular disdain for certain religeous leaders who could have avoided war but, in fact encouraged war and thought they themselves would profit and achieve higher status as a result.

Neighbors and friends killing themselves because someone brought to notice slight cultural dissimilaraties, then convincing them it was alright to murder. How foolish to be so simply decieved.

Why are you so hungry to start war? Why all the blood lust? Why are you listening to the hypocrites and refusing to look at yourselves before accusing others?

Remove the beam out of your own eye first and then you will be able to take out the speck in your brothers eye.

Peace.

 

So all the poor innocent Iranians want is for the mean old Jews to leave them alone? Umm, yeah. Here are a few quotes from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the President of Iran. And remember, he started saying this sort of thing long before his nuclear scientists started dying....

Those delightful quotes are just from 2005 and 2006. Now here's a relevant one from Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

ya I'm thinking that plank in the eye thing might be the problem here.

By only looking at the situation from one very narrow view you've developed a very skewed perception of things. Clearly The Israeli's have fought a war not of conquest but of defense, If they'd have wanted to be the aggressors, there'd be no remnant of the Arab armies on Egyptian or Jordanian land that Israel would be forced to administrate. As you can see its simply a mater of perception.

Oh and I'd be curious how you'd justify the Judeo-Arabs refusal of a nation state way back in 1949 ??????????

PS
if your going to take on one very skewed view I think it best to take on the other, If only to show that by polarizing your views you accomplish nothing. Peace is found in middle ground, not when someone demands it all there way.

 

It's interesting to note that 90% of posts from outside US have a wider more pragmatic view of the world, it's polictical situations and how threats and US politic agenda/rhetoric is percieved compared to 80% of US posters who seem to live on another planet and read a different version of history.

Most foreigners (of non Arab) background now accept that the state of Israel was a mistake, have no sympathy for the country, have had their suspisions confirmed the leaders of Israel are liars and understand that if the UN action in 1949 han't gone thru the world today could have been a much more peaceful place.

US government's constant interference in the political affairs of other countries and sovereign rights including that of Australia and New Zealand to suit the needs/desires of US Congressmen, corpoate business and political careers will continue to destabilize. Since the ending of WWII 90% of US military actions at the behest of US government agenda have got it wrong.

Iraq..weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist, but convincing Bush, Blair & Howard of a negative didn't suit the US agaenda.

Thousands of US troops, allies and a million or more of civilians have died needlessly since 1950 in wars to protect the American ideals of what ? ideals of democracy, freedom, wealth, religion all BS and still happening.

US cannot inflict it's western ideals on a culture based on a centuries old tribal systems ruled by a unenlighten belief doctrine that doesn't tolerate critisim or review.

 

Do you take that sort of nonsensical rhetoric seriously? If it wasn't directed
at Israel, it would be ignored as the rantings of just another political dork.

Next you'll be telling us that North Korea is loopy enough to actually launch
their nukes at the USA because they keep repeating the same old claptrap.

 

After reading your posts, I'd say you're in no position to be accusing anyone of being biased or ignorant. I'd love to see where you're getting your facts and figures, when you claim that 'most foreigners believe that the state of Israel was a mistake.' And I notice it didn't take you long to segue from dumping on Jews to dumping on Americans, did it? Sorry, dude; you're so blinded by your prejudices, your resentments and your envy that anything you have to say is pretty much worthless.

Ah, if only the world and international relations were as simplemindedly black and white as you see them. But they aren't. The world isn't under siege by cowboy Americans and sinister Jews....

 

Yes, I do take it seriously. You need to look into Twelver Shi'ia religious beliefs and traditions about the Mahdi and the return of the Twelfth Emir in the end times, and what will trigger his return, before you simply laugh off what Ahmadinejad is saying.

In case you hadn't noticed, some fanatics actually try to follow through on the 'sort of nonsensical rhetoric' they believe in. I remember when people told us the same thing about Osama Bin Laden way back when; they said it was just the usual blowhard Muslim rhetoric.

You can't compare Ahmadinejad with North Korea's leaders. They aren't religious nuts. Their brinksmanship diplomacy and threats are fairly pragmatic, and geared towards extorting what they can out of the rest of the world. Big difference.... but that doesn't mean they might not go off the deep end someday. That happens sometimes, to people who make a habit of dancing on the cliff's edge.

 

Nuclear weapons are extortion tools. Thats why everyone wants one. Israel extorts billions in military aid from the US to prevent its use of atomic bombs.

 

OK, I'm seriously going to try to stay away from non-boating threads for a while, including this one. I'm tired of feeding the trolls.

 

Yes, some nuts do try to make good on their threats, the majority don't.

I guess the US could have bombed something somewhere to try to
prevent bin Laden making good on his threats, but I doubt it would have
done much to prevent the horrors in Kenya and elsewhere.

As for NK, the fanaticism and extremist rants of their leaders is not much
different to that of those in Iran. And I agree, they obviously have
vastly different political and religious motivations. I was only comparing the
similarities in their shrill rhetoric.

Keep beating the war drums. I'm sure many will follow you into battle now
that it's "Mission Accomplished" in Afghanistan, Iraq is a stable bastion of
democracy, Saudi Arabia is a paragon of human rights, Eurasia and Eastasia
have always been friends ...

 

meh, just learn how to use the "ignore" button Troy. Its a godsend