Huge u s drug bust

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  1. daiquiri
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    This thing will go on as long as there is a market demand for drugs. So the only effective way of rooting out the drug dealing is to eliminate the market demand.

    But, in a hyper-competitive and overcrowded global society which keeps pushing human beings to the limits and squeezing them like lemons, the demand can only grow up.

    Ergo, the drug business will keep escalating and the drug dealers will keep getting richer, more powerful and better equipped. I see no way of getting out of this vicious circle in the years to come.
     
  2. whitepointer23

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    Legalizing and education are the only way forward. Look at the Asian countries that carry the death penalty still can't eradicate drugs . Our laws in aus are that weak that they are no barrier to drug dealers anyway.
     
  3. Westel
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    You will not take away the effect of almost instant addiction of modern drugs by legalizing them....I agree on education though.

    If you fight a war against an enemy who has no scruples at all whatsoever on every level, than you must be one hell of an imbecil to handicap yourself with selfmade laws that prevent you from fighting the war on an equal levell and believe that you can win that war....
     
  4. Petros
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    the problem with the "market" approach is that it is assumed that consumers will act in their own best interest or desires. The problem with drugs, particularly the highly addictive drugs, is that the consumer no longer behaves rationally or in their own best intrest once addicted. So legalizing it only makes the problem larger, and makes the drug cheaper, allowing more people to wreck their lives legally. So the only practical approach is arresting everyone involved in the process, and stopping the drugs from coming into the country in the first place. Even if imperfect, it is the only way to protect a population from the dangers of addictive drugs.
     
  5. whitepointer23

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    Thats worked well so far.
     
  6. Westel
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    It might not have worked very well so far but fixing a problem by changing from not allowed to allowed is a bit like: "if you cant beat them,join them"
    Make drugs-robbery-drunk driving-murder- legal and 90% of the society problems are solved for the law,...... but not for "Joe in the street".
    What's the difference if parents see their child destroy their life, and that of their family, by using legal or non-legal hard drugs ?
    Do the tears taste any different in the cemetery when you bury your child because it died using legal drugs ?

    Like Mohamed Ali once said, the battle is won/lost long before the match takes place, in the gym...........
     
  7. daiquiri
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    When talking about legalization of drugs, I can't recall hearing any government or organization call for the legalization of heavy and addictive drugs. The legalization concerns the so-called recreational drugs like marijuana, others are excluded of this possibility.
     
  8. whitepointer23

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    Alcohol probably causes more problems than most drugs but look what happened when the u s tried prohibition.
     
  9. Ilan Voyager
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    Legalization is the key, as it was for the Prohibition, and after targeting the financial side. That won't happen, after all Las Vegas and Reno have been created by the Mafia and now legal and honorable...Money does not smell for a plutocracy.
    The production de cocaine is stable at about 1000 metric tons of 100% pure by year, and the new drugs are on rise and growing fast, some at the rate of 30% year.
    The consumption of cocaine in the USA is slightly going down, in despite that cocaine has never been so cheap. The USA market of cocaine is estimated around 37 to 70 billions dollars, and the estimations of consumption in the USA are 260 to 450 metric tons/year. 7 millions Americans are regular consumers of cocaine.
    You must add all the other drugs, heroin (in decline), marijuana, opium (obsolete) and the artificial drugs which are in a spectacular rise and are now the biggest part of the market.
    But it's too late now, the drug trade money has corrupted all levels of the society. It's very big money, in Mexico it's more money that the automotive industry. In fact it's now the first industry of the country and it keeps alive the financial balances of Mexico as more than 50 billions of dollars come back to Mexico each year.
    After 6 years of the drugs war in Mexico, 120000 dead and 30000 missing, the drug trade has never been so fat and rich. There are 13 cartels instead of 6, the smuggling is raging (the Tijuana cartel smuggles into California 1 to 5 tons of 90% pure cocaine and 2 million doses of amphetamins EACH WEEK. This cartel is making 50 millions dollars of net benefits by week...). The drug cartels employ 1.800.000 people in Mexico. The cartels have now rockets, armored cars, 0.5" machine guns and even a few 20 mm cannons all sold by American...They have shot down two army helicopters. They have bought the polices and federal agencies, part of the army, the mayors of the cities, the governors of the states and are very deep in the federal government. They can close and control during 3 hours a 600000 people city in Mexico.
    Not only in Mexico...but also part of the DEA, and the officials in the cities of the frontier plus a lot of federals in the USA have been bought. It's estimated that 800 officials are on the payrolls in Texas. 1500 officials are under suspicion in the USA, some are discreetly prosecuted.
    In fact, you can now smuggle what you want between Texas and Mexico, the officials are as corrupt each side. The banks of Houston and Los Angeles are living by laundering drug money by billions of dollars, and thousands of lawyers and accountants in the USA are working for the drug trade directly and indirectly. Good cash does not smell.
    HSBC has been caught laundering 800 millions for the Sinaloa Cartel in Houston and had only a tap on the hand. Nobody is gone in prison. Nobody has been prosecuted. The idiot at Houston who spoke was fired. The Mexican official who found the trick at Puebla is dead. The president of HSBC is going well and has received a few millions of pounds for his good results. He made eventually a declaration they won't do it again, and just after HSBC was caught in Switzerland for tax evasion organization with the Switz filial.
    The personal fortune of Chapo Guzman is 1.2 billions dollars, the reserves of the Sinaloa Cartel (Guzman is the main chief) are estimated at 14 billion dollars. Some think it's more than 20 billions.
    In fact it was the disposable money of the drug that stopped the financial crisis of 2008, said the FMI.
    350 to 500 hundred tons of cocaine are arriving quietly by plane in Mexico each year. Simply by 737 Boeing planes. Fast boats, semi submarines and artisan means are things of the past. When you have billions of cash you can buy everything and everyone between Colombia and Mexico. You can buy also everything and everybody each side of the Mexico USA frontier.
    And if you do not accept the money, you die, but before your children die, your wife dies, your mom dies. Plomo o plata, lead or silver is the choice.
    The drug lords are now integrated in the Mexican oligarchy, they are excellent investors in legal affairs, and they are badly needed in a recessing economy where cash is rare and expensive.
    So the submarine and its miserable little 5 tons is a total laugh...Just a staged thing to pleasure to the DEA and justify the drug war. The true victim is the poor Colombian cartel which went through a so stupid solution. That is anecdote for the Fox Channel. The true drug trade is deeper and involves big money and big people, it's now quasi institutional.
    Add Europe, South America, and Asia markets and producers. Incidentally the production of opium have never been so high in Afghanistan.
    The war on drugs, started in 1970 by Nixon, after 45 years is a total fiasco and failure. The consumption of drugs have never been so high in the world, and paradoxically drugs have never been so easy to buy and affordable. Metamphetamine pills are cheaper than antibiotics or a bottle of whiskey...
     
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  10. whitepointer23

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    Fwiw I am a light drinker and ex smoker. I have never touched drugs in case anyone thinks that's why I am pushing this barrow. My son and daughter are 18 and 17 and have no interest in drugs because they know how bad they are. Even if they were legal they would be the same. Same reason they haven't tried smoking. Its education at home and school.
     
  11. whitepointer23

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    I heard on the news today that australia is becoming a favorite market for the drug lords because drugs fetch huge prices here compared to other countries. 30,000 on the street in the u s a 200,000 for the same amount here.
     
  12. Mr Efficiency
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    Kids have got to be educated that if you become addicted to illegal drugs, you won't be able to finance your habit unless you have inherited a million or two, or are prepared to turn to crime. Everyday jobs with limited disposable income and law-abiding citizenship, can't co-exist with illegal drug use.
     
  13. Westel
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    Hence the Mohamed Ali quote "the battle is won in the gym not in the ring.."
    Education is the only solution to take away the market but than we're talking long term (15-20 years) solution, about the time you needed to educate your children.

    Highly educated people (lawyers-accountants-bankers-politicians) created this mess so counting on them to clean it up might be a child's dream.....

    Insane amounts of money makes almost any principle vanish like snow in the sun.
     
  14. Westel
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    Recreational drugs aren't the problem and legalizing them wont change a thing. They tried that in Holland and it didn't had any impact.
    Remove the recreational drug violation results from the law enforcement statistics regarding the "war on drugs" and it becomes an expencive "joke".
    There's so much money/people involved that the world cannot afford to stop the heavy drug industry without going into a deep financial world wide crisis.
     

  15. Rurudyne
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    Oh, I'm sure many a nanny state super-duper hero wouldn't really need a pretext. They just don't let any bad thing go to waste.

    I've occasionally posted this ...

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    ... and I occasionally wonder at what the demotivational posters will be like a few decades from now after years of government assuming we're all complete nitwits unable to survive without it's sage advice and regulation?
     
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