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01-28-2010, 04:04 PM
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| How to make money with boats vs. Google About five years ago I wrote the book "How to make money with boats". It's a book for dreamers that explains in detail 50 methods of earning a living from a boat. It covers everything from welding, chartering, methods for the crew and kids to earn a living while traveling and even treasure hunting from a yacht. All was good and the books trickled out the door, till one day I started noticing I was receiving more email questions about the contents of the book than books were selling. It was then I found that Google Books had picked up "How to make money with boats" and re-published it online. How can Google republish copyrighted material? I wondered myself and found this question is the subject of a large lawsuit against Google that might conclude this month. The crux of the lawsuit is it appears Google might (probably will) take control of ALL published material that has an expired copyrights and somehow thousands of other books also, including "How to make money with boats". Thus, I have posted "How to make money with boats" online for free. I'll paste the table of contents below. The full book is broke up into chapters and can be seen at- http://www.tongacharter.com/ Yes, I'm sorry that is a charter boat site in Tonga and it's also the easiest place for me to post. Use discernment to only click on the "How to make money with boats" tab, or the "Free Reports" tab. Look at the toolbar on the left for "How to make money with boats" and click on the button. This will bring up the book sections. Click on any section and the text will show up. Eventually I'll get around to cleaning up the text and adding photos. Till then it's just the raw text, but it's all information that some might find useful. Lastly if anyone has any other tricks for earning a living while cruising and would be willing to share please send me a little write up and I'll be happy to include it Regards Scott Table of Contents: Rules for Running 50 Onboard Businesses 16 Every Business listed is ‘Tried and Tested’ 16 The Boat is Your Mobile Work Platform 17 Doing it Well, The Real Trick 17 Most Advertising is Word of Mouth 17 Third World vs. First World 18 The South African Attitude Contingent 19 Why Yachts Return to the First World 19 It’s All Possible Due to GPS 20 Picking your working location 21 A Constant Flow of Traveling Yachts 21 Ability to import specialty items 21 Comfortable Location the disabled yacht’s Family 22 Safe Moorings or Harbor to Store Boats 22 Support from the City of Choice 22 Machine Shops 22 Airport 22 Traveling in Taxi Hell 23 Learning the lingo 25 Hemorrhaging Money 26 Tourniquet Time 27 Plan for the tourniquet 27 Immediate Shutdown 28 Tips for staying on the job 28 Work according to cyclone season 30 The Wonderful World of Dry backing 31 The Lifestyle 31 Dry backing it 31 Mexican Illegal Alien “How to Work in the USA” Comic Book 31 Categories of Drybacks 32 Working for other Yachties 32 Third World? 32 Working Locally for Local Wages and the Tourist Trade 32 Working for the first world while living in the third world 32 What about Immigration? 33 In Reality 33 Keeping out of trouble 34 Get Legal 34 Look Like a Yachtie 34 Don’t Take the Job of a Local 34 Don’t be the Last Boat Working 35 Turncoats and how to deal with them 35 People are Working Everywhere, it’s Your Decision 36 True Story-This really happened to me 36 Don’s true story 38 The Moral 39 A case study in keeping a low profile 41 Case Study Two in keeping a low profile 42 Keeping your family Happy- The real challenge! 44 Skiff 44 Dinner 44 Sunday is our day 44 Wednesday dinner 44 Allow the crew to work 45 Bring home the story 45 Get them working on a boat project 45 Go cruising 45 Pull the plug 45 Build a career together 45 Listen to their needs 46 Accessing a boat’s potential to support your voyage from thirty yards 46 Hailing Port 46 The rest of the boat 47 Ma and Pa 47 Double Dipper 48 Delivery Teams 49 Charter Boats 49 Scammers 50 Working for the heavy drinker 50 Lost His Course Boat Bum 50 Advertising and getting the first job 51 Your business Card 51 The CD boat card 51 Music CD Advertising Card 52 Boat Sign 52 Flags 53 Boat Agents 53 Locating the agent 54 What to Charge 54 Give Yourself a 20% Raise 55 Getting Paid 55 T&M vs. Bid and Daily Pay 55 Cash on the Barrel Head, and Currency Exchange 56 PayPal and Visa Card 56 Bid Pay 56 Trading 56 Conclusion 57 The Difficult Customer 57 Pro Call Back Artist AKA Scammer 57 Just Can’t Be Satisfied 58 How to identify the difficult Customer from the Start 58 Tips for keeping long hours without upsetting the paying customer 58 Save the Day Once a Day 59 Tech Support Tips for techs 59 Getting the customer his due warranty 60 Tips for getting warranty service 62 A true warranty story from the docks of hell 62 Labor Tithing 67 Cargo Donation 67 A True Story 68 Types of Jobs 69 Work that can be done for other yachts, 69 Work that can be done off your boat for the locals or tourists 69 Selling the product back to your first world country. 69 Kids and crew business 69 Six on Six Off 69 Moving Boats Around for PROFIT! 70 The Delivery Game 70 Creating the Roar 70 How to Charge 70 Port Day Fee 71 Half Down, Half on Completion 71 Max Wind 71 Specialty Deliveries 71 Mechanically Challenged Vessels and how to deal with them 71 Working the Racing circuit 71 Rough and tumble leg 71 Insurance Deliveries 72 Manufacturer Delivery Crew 72 Late Season Delivery Team 72 First Time Cruiser Crew Deliveries 72 Personal gear to take 73 Tools 74 The Peli Package 74 Foul Weather Gear 74 Protecting Yourself 74 The Wonderful World of Chartering 75 Day Charters 75 Locating Your Paying Guests 75 Occupancy Aboard 76 Shade and Seating 76 Dock Greeter and Starting the Day 76 Restroom, Rout Planning, and Getting Home 76 Open Bar 77 Sunset Sail 77 How Much Can You Make? 77 Chartering overnight 79 Specialty Charters 79 Crossing Borders 80 Conclusion 80 Working aboard a private yacht 80 Engineer 80 Captain 81 Steward 81 Chef 81 Dealing with the super rich 83 Tips for dealing with the super rich: 84 Delivery/Sale/Buying on Spec 86 Method 2 87 Method 3 88 Seven Special Boat Purchase Money Makers: 88 Trading Cargo 89 What to take small time 89 Bringing it back to the boat, Things That Worked 90 Buying Sewing Machines 91 Computer Sales 91 Then We Tried Boat Gear 92 Someone Who Was Making It Pay 92 Sail Boat Designed for Cargo Carrying 92 Landing Craft 93 Picking a Rout 93 Using shipping containers to move your cargo 94 Work as an agent 94 Treasure hunting 96 Salvage 98 I have to be honest here… 98 The Salvage of the Flying Fish and Rescuing the crew of Sunrise 100 My Turn 105 Part 2, making a new rig out of the old 108 Part 3 Mistaken Identity and Another Boat on the Reef 111 Moral 117 Sewing, Sail Repair, Canvas Work, and the Mighty Pfaff 130 118 Sail Repair 118 The machine you need anyway 118 Sail Repair, not Sail Making 119 The First Stocking Up 119 Materials Needed 119 How to Purchase Sail Materials on the Cheap 119 Layout Space 120 Typical Repairs and Re-cuts 120 The clew has torn completely out of the sail 120 Adding a Cringle/Grommet 120 Clew Patch Pulled Loose 121 A seam has split luff to leach on a main sail or jib 122 The sail chafed, or caught on something while sailing and then ripped. 122 Canvas Sun Hats 124 Making Courtesy Flags 125 Long Life Flag 125 Canvas Making/Repair 126 The Mighty Pfaff 130 Sewing Machine, the heart of the operation 127 The Legend 127 How Much to Pay 127 Things to Look For Before Purchasing a Pfaff 130 127 Pfaff 130 Options 128 Shipping a Sewing Machine 128 Cleaning the Pfaff 130 129 Turbo Charging the Motor 129 Buying the Turbo Motor Wholesale 129 Push Start 129 Correcting Pfaff 130 problems 129 Tension Problems 130 Skipping Stitches: 130 Balling of thread under material: 130 How to Time a Sewing Machine anchored at a tropical island 131 Symptoms of out of time machine 131 How a Sewing Machine Works 131 Marking the Needle Arm 131 Timing the Needle Arm 131 The Final Timing Check 132 Pfaff 130 Conclusion 132 Part IV 133 133 Diesel Engine Tech, Engine Work, Engine Changes 133 Repair vs. Trouble Shooting 134 Special Diagnostic Tools 134 Diagnostic Tool Tips 134 Coolant System Pressure Test— 136 Hand Held Tachometer— 136 Oil pressure gauge, Low Pressure Gauge/Vacuum gauge— 136 Mechanics Stethoscope— 137 Feeler Gauges and Digital Calipers— 137 AC/DC Clamp Amp- 137 Digital Muli-Meter 138 Dad Says 139 Engine Alignments- 140 Marbles in the gearbox? 141 Regularly Scheduled Engine Maintenance 142 Diesel Fuel Polishing 143 One Week Engine Change 146 Buy New, DON’T REBUILD! 146 The Biggest Secret, Measure before you pull the old engine 147 The Magic Measure Technique 147 Simple Now that you know 147 Price Beater 148 The Rest of the Fit 148 Lifting the Old Engine 149 Commonly Asked Engine Change Questions: 149 Q. What is this all going to cost 149 Q. Does and engine change ever take longer than ten days? 150 Q. Does the boat have to be hauled for an engine change? 150 Conclusion 150 Offshore Engine Check-Engine Analysis 152 Technician 18 Point Engine Inspection Checklist. 152 Part V 155 Working Metals 155 Making the big bucks as a welder 155 Your welding machine 156 The welder you already have 156 The BIG money PTO Mount 158 Mount designee 159 Base Plate 159 Marking and drilling the holes 159 Making and designee of the Bracket 160 Struts 160 Making a turn buckle tensioning arm 161 Begin with a Half Inch or larger Turnbuckle 162 Automatic Tensioning arm 162 Automatic Tensioning arm 163 Making and mounting the second drive pulley 164 Pros of buying the marine high output alternator 166 Pros of buying off the shelf 166 What alternator to buy 167 Small Case 167 Medium Case 167 Large Case 168 Alternator conclusion 168 What is a three-step regulator? Why should we have one or sell one to a customer. 170 What Regulator to use? 171 High Tech- 171 Low Tech- 171 Combination Regulator Upgrade and back up Regulator 171 Custom Aluminum Skiff Building 172 Plywood designees can be built in Aluminum 172 Carry a Set of Stock Plans, Modify to Fit the Boat 173 Welding Machine and Tools Needed 173 Materials Needed 174 Building Space 174 The Whole Boat Builder 174 Shore Based Welders 174 Aluminum projects 175 Rail Welding, With Added Security Locks 176 Welding Gear Needed 177 Polishing 178 Polishing tips 178 Conclusion 179 Oxy Acetylene 180 Lessons Learned 180 A Better Idea Oxy/Propane 180 Gear Needed for Oxy/Propane 180 Map Gas 180 Big Money Exhaust manifold and Elbow 181 Copper pipe shelving 182 A true story of Billy’s welder 184 Part VI 186 Marine Electrician, and Electrical Work 186 Electrical Panel Upgrade 189 Building Wind/Water Chargers 191 Generator Specs 191 Rewinding a car alternator for wind charging 192 Trolling Attachment 192 Antenna man 193 Installing alarm Systems 194 Computer Guru or Upgrades 195 Pactor Upgrade 195 Yacht Internet Connection 195 Marine Carpenter 197 Interior Work 197 Adjusting the interior after an engine change 197 Wood Mast Repair 198 Arranging your Job 198 Big Money Specialty Jobs 198 Ron’s Great Work Table 198 Mast Stepping 199 Be Careful What You Wish For… 202 A Mast Stepping Encounter 202 Driving a mast down the road 204 My First Mast Stepping 205 Chart Printing and Trading 206 Laying Cork Decks 207 Getting Rich Building a Virtual Marina 208 A Virtual Marina? 209 The Plan 209 Work with the Locals 209 Mooring Field Grid 210 Dinghy Dock 210 Building and setting a mooring 210 Moving the Mooring 210 Mooring Designee 211 Lay Out the Mooring Field 211 Keep Building and Add Services 211 Advertising 212 Big Money TIPS!! 212 Sell Electricity! 212 Easy Bahamian Moor Dock 212 Moving vehicles to your resort 213 Taking Over and Running a Private Resort 213 Look for Unkempt Grounds 213 Collecting, filtering and selling vegetable oil as diesel fuel 214 Marine Surveyor 216 Painting custom boat names 218 Importing Native Art Work 219 Don’s Unique story 220 Bottom cleaning and Boat Diver 222 Hookah 223 Scraping the Bottom 223 Finding lost objects 224 Boat Yard Bottom Jobber, and Blister Repair 225 Blister Repair 226 Inflatable Dinghy Repair 228 Roaming factory rep 229 Making-Selling Water 230 Categorizing and keeping track of all onboard yacht systems 231 Writing a Yacht Operators Manual or Crew Manual 233 Mobile beach rental 235 Part VIII 236 Working from the boat 236 Carving, scrimshaw, Jewry 236 Playing Music, Busking, Teaching the art 237 Surf Board Repair 239 Bounty Hunter 240 Painting portraits and Art Work 241 Hair Dressing 242 Equipment list: 242 Leading Yoga, Meditation or Massage at Resorts 243 Massage 243 Teaching Yoga 244 Meditation 245 Be Careful Working at Resorts 245 Land Speculation 245 Teaching service staff how perform to first world standards 246 Writing Magazine Articles 247 Publishing and selling books 248 Radio Producer 252 Video Production 253 Running Contraband 254 High Risks 254 The Risks Keep on Coming 254 You Can Live Well Without the Risk 255 It Hurts us All 255 Joan’s True Smuggling Story 255 Anchored Alone in the Best Time of His Life 255 Just Sail Away he Thought 255 Set For Life 256 14 Kilos 256 Head West 257 Years Later 257 Part IX 258 Children and Crew Money Making Jobs 258 Boat Ramp Bottom Job 258 Beach Ticket Seller 259 Bird Watching 260 Painting Universes 261 Kids water and fuel delivery 262 Make Specialty Charts or Chart kits 264 Part X 266 Things that were fun but did not make a whole lot of money 266 Book Binding 266 Photo Captions 266 Ozone De-molding of Stored Boats 266 Selling Brownies and Cheesecake Boat to Boat 267 Ships Clock Repair 267 African Sandals 267 Drying and Selling Fruit 268 Sharpening Drill Bits 268 Collecting and Selling Shells 268 Collecting Tropical Birds 269 Part XI 270 Working Six Months On, Six Months Off 270 Arranging the second season 270 It’s not what you make, but what you spend 270 Disposable Income 270 Tricks to Taking it all Home 271 End of Season Tricks to Make Even More MONEY 271 Cruise Ship work 272 National Park Concessionaire 273 Tree Planter 274 National Marine Fishery Observer (nmfs) 274 Fish Processors 275 Forest Firefighter 275 Ski Bum 275 Construction worker Seasonal Heavy Equipment Operator 276 Seasonal Import Business 276 Truck Driver 276 Mill Shutdowns 277 CPA Tax Man 278 Christmas Tree Lots, and Christmas Help 278  |
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01-29-2010, 06:09 AM
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| "How can Google republish copyrighted material" They can't - not without the copyright owners permission. "The crux of the lawsuit is it appears Google might ...take control" They won't 'take control'. They may publish works online where the copyright has expired, but anyone can do that. Other than publishing online, there is no other element of control that Google will take. They won't suddenly own the rights or anything. I've just had a look at the Google Books entry for your book and it is a limited preview which means anyone wanting to read the whole book still needs to buy it from somewhere. In fact, this is essentially free advertising for your book. |
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01-29-2010, 11:12 AM
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| Thank you for your comments. I viewed Google books a few weeks back and the complete book was posted. I don't know what has changed now, but IF google does not wish to republish without permission then why are thousands of authors around the world suing Google? Yesterday was also the day when authors were supposed to make a choice for their part in the lawsuit (pasted below) I chose to list my book for free rather that get involved in any lawsuit. I find it less stressful and better for the world to post for free. Here are the options listed- Note I waited till the last day to make the decision to post the book for free. Google option # Opt out of the Google Book Settlement: If you have already opted out of the Original Settlement, and wish to remain opted out, you need not – and should not – opt out again. If you wish to opt out, your Opt Out Form must be submitted online or postmarked on or before January 28, 2010. # Opt back in to the Google Book Settlement: If you opted out of the Original Settlement and wish to opt back in, your Opt Back In Form must be submitted online or postmarked on or before January 28, 2010. # File an objection to the Amended Settlement: If you wish to object to the provisions amending the Original Settlement, your objection must be postmarked on or before January 28, 2010. You need not and should not refile your objection to the Original Settlement, which will be considered as previously filed. You may, however, withdraw your objection at any time prior to the date of the Fairness Hearing. I'm interested, given the choices above what would you have done? Scott |
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01-29-2010, 02:17 PM
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| Do you still sell the book, and how much? posted to Australia (ordinary airmail post) and (ordinary surface post)
__________________ Try to be helpful... Remember that there are at least two sides for every story... |
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01-29-2010, 02:33 PM
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| Thank you for asking Thank you for asking. Boatbooks in Auckland carries the paper version and might be the best way to ship to Oz. http://www.boatbooks.co.nz/ or you can buy the download or paper version here- http://www.tongacharter.com/book-money.htm or you may read the complete book for free online starting at the TOC here- http://www.tongacharter.com/money-toc.htm I just posted the free online version yesterday and the text will get cleaned up over the next few weeks. The PDF version has about two hundred photos. Thanks again for asking. Scott |
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01-29-2010, 04:47 PM
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| Scott My aim wasn't to dismiss your rights as copyright holder (and author). But there is a big difference between Google publishing a book on line and showing snippets of a book along with links of where to buy the book. As I'm not an author, I don't know all the details of the lawsuit so don't know what choice i would have made in your position. I had a quick read of the following: http://www.googlebooksettlement.com/...18704&hl=en#q1 Reading this, it appears the lawsuit concerns the display of snippets of copyrighted books. I quote, "In response to the authors’ and publishers’ claims of copyright infringement, Google argued that its digitization of the books and display of snippets, or a few lines, of the books is permitted under the U.S. copyright law’s doctrine of 'fair use.' " There seems to have been some sort of settlement that was proposed in order to stop the whole thing being a lawyer enrichment programme. This will be the options you listed. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about to be honest. Google are not publishing the whole book, just snippets. As I said before, it constitutes free advertising really. Why you feel you need to give the book away free, I don't know. You are just doing yourself out of any potential sales. I know you said the whole book was available a few weeks ago, but are you sure this was the case? When viewing the book on Google Books, it shows links to every chapter, but when you click on the vast majority, it comes up with a message saying the page is not available for viewing. If it was available in full, then Google would be breaking copyright law, regardless of the current settlement/lawsuit. You ask why other authors are suing and I couldn't tell you, although at a guess, the promise of a big payout from Google springs to mind. I suppose some authors just don't like any of their work to be displayed anywhere except their own publications. I do believe authors should be paid for their work and will not download books, or indeed boat plans, illegally. I hope that you have many sales of your book (via Google Books or otherwise) and appreciate the effort that authors go through in order to have your work published. |
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01-29-2010, 07:22 PM
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I'm not familiar with the lawsuit. But I know that on just about any boat building subject I google, I can come up with multiple pages from one book or another. I just googled "chapelle boat building flat bottomed" so I could use it as an example, and came up with a 63-page 'preview' of Chapelle's Boatbuilding book (yes, I counted each and every page). That's more than just a few snippets. It's almost everything in the book that relates specifically to flat-bottomed boat construction--including plans and offset tables. With all due apologies to the authors out there, I'll admit that I've used that 'preview' feature to death in the last couple of months, anytime I wanted specific information of one sort or another. I'll miss it if it goes, but I certainly won't have any reasonable grounds to complain about losing it. Speaking of apologies, I'd say you owe this gentleman and anyone else involved in the lawsuit an apology, for assuming their prime motivation was simply a venal desire for an undeserved 'big payout' from Google. I think they have a very legitimate issue.
__________________ "All one has to do is follow the plans and build in no permanent leaks." -Charles Minor Blackford, on the simplicity of building flat bottomed boats |
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01-30-2010, 06:42 PM
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| Fair enough. I only looked at the book in the title of the thread and didn't specifically count pages. There didn't seem to be any significant content there - just a few pages here and there, but I suppose that Scott as the author may find that number too much. Certainly, other authors may find that the content published represents the significant content of the book. I don't know really whether the sheer size of the 'snippets' are balanced out by the, essentially free advertising that is being given by Google with, as I said previously, links to buy the book. That is really up to Scott and the other authors to decide for themselves. In the case of Scott's book, I didn't think that anyone could gleam enough from the previews to consider it enough not to buy the book - if they want 50 ways to make money, they may get 3 or 4 from the preview. Is that enough to give the book away free? I don't think so. Scott obviously does and I think he may do himself out of a few sales by giving it away. My thoughts on a motivation for litigation are hardly cause for an apology. Being English, we are finally catching up to the great American tradition of suing people for the most menial of things. Generally, the impression I get is someone out to make money. Of course, that isn't always the case, but seems the easy way to do things now. I took the following from the Google Books site which may explain why you can see Chappelle's book and others you've looked at (are they Partner Program members): http://books.google.com/support/bin/...pic=9259&hl=en "Many of the books in Google Books come from authors and publishers who participate in our Partner Program. For these books, our partners decide how much of the book is browsable -- anywhere from a few sample pages to the whole book. For books that enter Google Books through the Library Project, what you see depends on the book's copyright status. We respect copyright law and the tremendous creative effort authors put into their work. If the book is in the public domain and therefore out of copyright, you can page through the entire book and even download it and read it offline. But if the book is under copyright, and the publisher or author is not part of the Partner Program, we only show basic information about the book, similar to a card catalog, and, in some cases, a few snippets -- sentences of your search terms in context. The aim of Google Books is to help you discover books and assist you with buying them or finding a copy at a local library. It's like going to a bookstore and browsing - with a Google twist." Having looked at Google Books recently, books can fall into one of four different categories: No preview available, Snippet View, Limited preview and full access. The Snippet View is for copyrighted books that are not part of the Partner Program and nothing can be seen except if a search is done, then a few sentences containing the search term are displayed. It certainly suggests that both Scott's book and the books that you have been previewing are members of the Partner Program. Anyway, Scott's original point was Google publishing his whole book and taking control of it, therefore forcing him to give his book away free. Google are not publishing his whole book, they have no control over his book and there is no justifiable reason why he would need to give the book away himself. I'd hazard a guess that authors are losing more money from garage sales, flea markets, used book stores, Amazon Marketplace and other online used book sellers (as well as forum members giving the information to others on forums). Of course these people can't be easily sued, so best to have a go at Google instead as they are an easy target. Maybe I am perceiving this all wrong, but I find it is all too easy to see Google as the bad guy when in reality I would guess that Scott may have lost zero sales due to their preview system and probably gained a few sales from people finding the preview interesting and following the links to online sellers to buy a copy. |
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01-30-2010, 08:39 PM
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Secondly, I believe the Brit's were the ones who perfected the practice of turning the legal system into a for-profit venture. Some of our original 13 colonies actually forbade the practice of law for profit, because of their experience with the British legal system. Don't throw stones. Finally, do you have such a comic-book view of the world that you approach everything as a good guy vs. bad guy question? Maybe no one is a bad guy here. Maybe the authors have a reasonable interest in controlling their works; maybe Google is honestly trying to provide access and encourage book sales (and make money). So maybe the lawsuit is a way of getting Google's attention, and pushing them to do a better job of balancing their business objectives against the rights of the authors involved. If you believe the authors stand to make a windfall out of the situation, I think you're sadly mistaken. I doubt there's enough money involved per author to make any noticeable difference in their monthly budgets, much less change their lifestyles. And your cynicism concerning their motives leads me to suspect you may be judging others by yourself.
__________________ "All one has to do is follow the plans and build in no permanent leaks." -Charles Minor Blackford, on the simplicity of building flat bottomed boats |
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01-31-2010, 05:18 PM
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| Judging others by myself would be interesting but I have never brought a lawsuit against anyone, for profit or any other reason. I go to work, earn a living and dream of building a boat out of wood. I buy boat building books and check out boat building and boat design forums for information. I've looked at Google Books, but never really found enough information available from the preview. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. I have enough books to keep me reading for a good few years. I don't know the history of lawsuits for profit, but suspect a nation that allows a lawsuit against McDonalds for making someone obese is hardly in a position, 13 colonies or not, of taking the high ground. The day of 'no win, no fee' is well and truly here in Britain, years after its introduction to the US. Whether it is a US or UK invention is rather superfluous though when, as I have pointed out, the 'authors guild' are suing Google rather than the countless "garage sales, flea markets, used book stores, Amazon Marketplace and other online used book sellers" who are responsible for more lost sales to publishers than Google's snippets or Partner Program previews - an issue you've managed to avoid with your anti-colonial diatribe. I have certainly not called Scott a liar and never said that his book could not be seen a few weeks ago. 90% of my argument revolves around the Google Partner Program and Scott's book as it can be seen on Google Books as of the point at which I started responding (and now as I've just checked). If Scott says his book was available in full a few weeks ago, I have no reason to disbelieve him. I did ask earlier whether the whole book was available, or whether it appeared that way unless each page was checked. It may be that his publisher, as part of the Partner Program, allowed the whole book to be available for a limited period, followed by a limited number of pages. Who knows? Certainly not you or me. Whether his book was published in full by Google, or whether that was his perception because he didn't check which pages he could see, is neither here nor there. His book is not published in full if you look now, therefore there is no need for him to give it away free. As the books author, he should rightly be rewarded for his work, but in this case, it is his choice to give it away for nothing, not Google's. You are correct in that the Authors Guild lawsuit may be a way of getting Google's attention and maybe my view of the lawsuit is a bit simplistic. I'm not sure I suggested a 'windfall' from the lawsuit would change anyone's lifestyle, though the Authors Guild is a small subset of authors - not all of them - who may or may not see a cash cow at the end of the day. Maybe I'm just a bit cynical in my old age. If they have a genuine grievance, then a court of law will find Google guilty and I'll have to backtrack big style. Until then, they are 'innocent until proven guilty', a phrase that should be as meaningful in California as Lancashire. Sticking with Scott's book. As I have already pointed out, it is NOT available in full on Google Books (have a look), Google do not control the book (they don't own the copyright) and anyone who wants to read it will have to buy it, or not give the author any money for it by getting it free from the authors website (his choice). If the Authors Guild win their case, I'll have to eat my words regarding their reasons for litigation. If Scott comes back on here and says that Google are publishing his book in full or his publishers are not part of the Partner Program and his book income has dried up due to Google, then I'll also have to change my stance. Until then, I will remain very cynical of the 'big publicity' lawsuits - as will a large percentage of both the American and British population. |
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01-31-2010, 05:41 PM
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| Thank you for posting Thank you for keeping the post going. A couple notes. I checked on Google Books yesterday and was able to pick any section of "How to make money with boats" and read it. I only tried a couple times but they seemed to still be posted. The issue was not so much the posting by Google, but that the lawsuit demanded authors to "opt in" or "opt out" by 28 Jan 10. In other words I had to make a decision based on options given to me by a pack of lawyers and Google. That means research, time, effort, and consultation to make an informed decision. It did not take long to decide to give the book away for free, or at least post it online for free. That saves all the research and arguments and allows me to focus on what I enjoy doing and that is playing with boats. So, "How to make money with boats" is now online for free, and I'm about half way through correcting the headings and spacing so it's easy to read. To me that is for the greater good of all involved and prevents lawyers from receiving any money. Seem right. Thanks again for reading. Scott |
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01-31-2010, 06:05 PM
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You aren't the first Brit I've run into who automatically jumps to the smarmy assumption that important people or large companies are right, and those who are taking them on have no business challenging their betters. Maybe it has to do with some assumption that God rewards the deserving, so the more successful you are the more deserving you are, or something. I dunno. But it strikes me as a bit of a suck-up. I just googled 'How to make money with boats', and on Google Books was able to access the first 60 pages, illustrations and all, before I gave it up. So I'll end this pointless exchange the same way I started it: "A few snippets, or a few lines?" I don't think so. edit: I will respond to this bit of nonsense on my way out: countless "garage sales, flea markets, used book stores, Amazon Marketplace and other online used book sellers"...are responsible for more lost sales to publishers than Google's snippets or Partner Program previews. Do you understand the difference between a lawfully owned second-hand copy of a book, and illegally obtained and/or reproduced copies? I can sell my old books anytime I want, anywhere I want. But I can't legally scan them, then put them online and make them accessible to the whole world for fun or profit, unless I own the copyright or they're in the public domain.
__________________ "All one has to do is follow the plans and build in no permanent leaks." -Charles Minor Blackford, on the simplicity of building flat bottomed boats |
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01-31-2010, 08:15 PM
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| Yes I do understand the difference between " lawfully owned second-hand copy of a book". Google can reproduce parts of a book (out of copyright or part of the Partner Program etc) legally as can a seller sell a second hand copy of a book legally. As I said, until proven guilty... Or is this another Guantanamo - Google are clearly guilty, so... (See how easy it is introduce national stereotypes?) Answer this, is Scott's book part of the Partner Program? Moreover, has Scott's publisher given permission for Google to publish the number of pages it has? This is something you've avoided answering in every condescending reply you have made so far. You aren't the first Brit I've run into who automatically jumps to the smarmy assumption that important people or large companies are right No, I'm sure you know many Brits and I'm sure they all wax lyrical about large corporations! I'm sure, compared to all the Californians you know, that they are all smarmy too. Because, of course, Californians (or maybe Americans) are all perfect citizens of the world! Christ, most of the people that us Brits find repellent usually end up touring America as 'important people', so please, let's stop the 'we are better than you' nonsense. I'm not impressed by large organisations, only by their inherent behaviour. For instance, I wouldn't trust Microsoft in a million years due to past experience. I give Google more leeway due to past experience.. Congratulations on Googling "How to make money with boats". I did the same. here's the result: First 14 pages are front cover and table of contents. The next 50 pages are in sequence and printed in full. Pages 65 to 294 cannot be read. Are you seriously telling me that a book that purports to tell us 50 ways to make money from boats will do so in the first 50 pages after the table of contents and that pages 65 to 294 are all ********? Get real! Anyone who wants the core information from this book is not going to get it from the Google Books preview. Do you think Scott should give his book away for free based on that preview? Scott's book, as published by Google Books, is nothing more than a whopping great big free advert with a load of free links to places to legally buy the book. So, I'll end this post with this: "A few snippets, or a few lines?" No, I suggest this is a Partner Program book with a preview of 50 pages, out of 295, that can be previewed. Free advert - nothing more. And this: "...some assumption that God rewards the deserving..." Only if you believe there is some all powerful being, sitting on a cloud and thinking the only real nation is the US. Personally, I am grounded in reality. (Again, see how easy it is to sink to stereotypes?) I could add that you are not the first American who thinks he can tell the rest of the world how to think, but that would not only be misleading and stereotypical, but completely irrelevant to the argument. |
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__________________ "All one has to do is follow the plans and build in no permanent leaks." -Charles Minor Blackford, on the simplicity of building flat bottomed boats |
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