How can a cheap American buy a HOUSE in the 1st. World ?

[hoytedow]

I have a friend who, when he was little, thought his name was Mire because his parents were always shouting, "Mire! Don't touch!" or "Mire! Do as I say!".

[Yobarnacle]

lol Hoyt

[Boston]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Pole shift has been suggested cause for Noahs flood.

that theory was proposed by a guy named Hapgood if I remember and it wasn't in relation with anything biblical. He was attempting to explain why we have fossil ferns at fruit trees at the poles and why there are berms of animal carcasses so large that we can mine ivory out of them. Its an interesting theory but doesn't have a lot of support.

cheers
B

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Boston

that theory was proposed by a guy named Hapgood if I remember and it wasn't in relation with anything biblical. He was attempting to explain why we have fossil ferns at fruit trees at the poles and why there are berms of animal carcasses so large that we can mine ivory out of them. Its an interesting theory but doesn't have a lot of support.

cheers
B

Are you open to accepting scientific data contrary to your personal beliefs?

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYo...wide_flood.htm

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Pole shift has been suggested cause for Noahs flood.

Another possible explanation for the prevalence of flood stories, such as Noah and his Ark, is the evidence of a massive breach of the Mediterranean Sea through the Bosporus Straits about 5600 BC, into what is now the Black Sea -- which at the time was a much smaller freshwater lake.

The jury is still out on whether it was really a catastrophic event, or just another yawner in a series of relatively mild influxes that happened on a regular basis. But it's an interesting hypothesis, when you keep in mind that they've found the remains of neolithic villages underwater.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Are you open to accepting scientific data contrary to your personal beliefs?

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYo...wide_flood.htm

Didn't see much that was really 'scientific data' at that site....

I grew up in the desert, where you can see the ancient bones of the world laid bare. No one will convince me that what I'm familiar with is the result of a few thousand years of weathering, plus one catastrophic flood. It's pretty obvious that the landscape has been sculpted, torn down, rebuilt, and worn down again and again, over countless years.

[michael pierzga]

I understand that the Black Sea event was a slow motion flood. Evidently undersea archaeologists observe that people began moving possessions to higher ground to escape the rising water .


I can be without doubt that the water inflow into the Dardanelles, Sea of Marmara and out the Bosporus into the Black Sea must have been truly epic after the tectonic plates slipped. .

[Yobarnacle]

whales on mountaintops?

[Yobarnacle]

http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/b...or-pole-shifts

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

whales on mountaintops?

Which weren't mountaintops, at the time the fossils were laid down.

[BPL]

Nat Geo's Drain the Oceans is a fun watch
http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/n...-the-ocean-dvd

[Boston]

plate tectonics Yobar plate tectonics

you can see the folding of the layers in road cuts just about everywhere so fossils do end up in strange places

also the biblical flood story is almost identical to the Sumerian flood story of about 2500 years earlier, and that is most likely as Troy pointed out about a local event rather than a global. The idea of global flood event is not something I subscribe to. I tend to stick with basic facts and derive my beliefs from there. Regardless of there popularity or lack thereof.

Hapgoods theory wasn't impossible and Einstein even commented favorably on it but it remains a minority theory partly because of its lack of evidence and partly because its just such a wild idea. I kinda like it myself but I'm not sure where it fits into the general scheme of things. Hapgoods theory tied it to magnetic pole shift and since we seem to be well into a magnetic shift now I think the theory as a whole is about to be proven wrong as I see no evidence of a simultaneous pole shift is imminent, however, and this is the part you might like, Hapgood believed the mechanism for the pole shift was an imbalance of the polar ice caps, our ice caps are melting due to global warming and so, the danger is reduced. He did have a point though in that if the ice built up to rapidly at the poles and an ice age did not have a change to develop it occurred so fast then it might be possible to overcome the equatorial bulge and destabilize the rotation of the planet, which was the crux of Hapgood theory.

It still wouldn't have resulted in a worldwide flood but it sure would screw things up for a while.

OH and hapgood was kinda a quack, his theories on Egyptology are the laughing stock of the scientific world, He attributes everything to numerolgy and aliens did it. So no his theory isn't very well accepted although it does have some salient points. Kinda like electric universe theory.

[Yobarnacle]

That's why there is controversy. Depending on agenda, one group sees the data as one thing and another group thinks the same data supports their position. Science is supposed to be objective. Scientists being human, can't be objective. Everybody seeks to justify their beliefs. Many scientists defend their "scientific" views, with suspiciously religious fervor!

[Boston]

actually its generally what theory contains the most pieces of the puzzle, and leaves the least left over.

in that sense science is perfectly objective, what happens you tend to get some pretty strong personalities involved and then the bickering begins.

Hapgoods theory leaves a lot of pieces of the puzzle out of the picture

[Yobarnacle]

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...s/impacts.html

"Great thinkers are never passive before facts. They ask questions of nature; they do not follow her humbly. They have hopes and hunches, and they try hard to construct the world in their light. Hence, great thinkers also make great errors." (Gould, 1980, p.196)
Most "creationists" now accept that the human and dinosaur tracks in texas are error. Some continue to persist.
There are both rational, reasonable people on both sides. And equally distributed quacks and hardheads both sides!
http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/s...es/bcs106.html