How can a cheap American buy a HOUSE in the 1st. World ?

I was a wood butcher by trade a good part of my life, and don't have any handy at the moment. So I'm hacking away at political shibboleths instead. Simple amusements for simple minds, you know....

 

I understand. Like in opening chapter of MOBY DICK, "when it's winter in my soul and I feel spleenfull and want to go about knocking off hats, it's high time to get to sea again!" Or something like that.

Just registered here:
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Thought I'd give the long suffering members this forum a break!

 

What is fair about seizing anybody's money by force and giving it to a total stranger? How is that any different from armed robbery? And it is usually done to buy votes.

 

Quite often it comes from their own sweat both physical and nervous, because they are the ones who have invested their lives fortunes on unproven ventures and entrusted that success with those whom they have given the opportunity of employment.
I am grateful that i have been given the opportunity to work for people in exchange for part of their wealth and that they had the vision to make that job opportunity available.
If your boss is bad or doesn't pay enough, leave his employ. Work slow downs and other unscrupulous similar methods are dishonest. If you don't think you are getting an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, then you are the fool for being there.
I would rather close my business than endure such extortion from the people who agreed to take my money.
NLRB is a swindle not only on the employers but the consumers who want to purchase their products, the prices of which are inflated due to unfair union demands.

 

I agree. There will be a lot of new faces in Washington and many local and state level political offices across the land.

 

I disagree. Taxation is as out of control in Europe as it is here. Nanny welfare state is seeing the results now.

 

Amigo. Frequently we agree, but on this we don't. Certainly investment comes from those who can afford to invest. But WHO are they?

I've nrws for you. They aren't sharing their wealth. If you aren't productively making them more wealthy, you're fired. If they aren't making money from the business, they close the doors. So who is making who wealthy?

3.1 million millionaires in 2010, up from 2.86 million in 2009. The latest figure tops the pre-crisis peak of three million.

Merrill and Capgemini define millionaires as individuals with $1 million or more in investible assets, not including primary home, collectibles, consumables and consumer durables.

Out of population of 311,800,000
That's close to 1 %.
Aren't you ignoring the small shops and businesses owned by people who aren't millionaires?

The millionaire owned companies are the only ones that outsource labor to foreign countries.
The local dry cleaner, filling station owner, mom & pop grocery, repair garage, print shop, ect aren't doing that. Can't.

 

It's called 'taxation.' Every government in the world does it, whether it has any any voters to buy or not -- because running a government takes money.

One of the fatal weaknesses of our original Articles of Confederation was that the federal government essentially had no powers of taxation, and depended upon voluntary contributions by the individual states. Strangely enough, that didn't work very well.

When you come up with a government that functions solely on donations, we can stop taxing people. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

That's fair enough. If I don't perform as I agreed to when I accepted their pay, then to be fired is what should be expected. Very few poor people could ever pay me a wage.

The small shop owners you mentioned are the very ones who are hurt by the way our government is being run today, right down to the tax policy.

 

Taxation has legitimate uses. I have seen welfare queens go into the 7-11 to buy stuff with food stamps and drive of in BMWs while I was working not getting food stamps and driving a 20 year old Falcon and paying taxes, some of which went for those very same food stamps. That is not a legitimate use of tax dollars.

And the BMWs were nice and new.

 

Ok-- We finally know the answer to the OP's question we'll never be able to own that white house in the first world --maybe not even in the third world as we can't clear enough for the transportation cost to get there

 

My point is(and everybody knows it) the rich get richer and the poor poorer. I'm not advocating Robin Hood for president. But the fact is most of the taxes come from the middle class. And the 1% who have more income than all the rest together pay lower % taxes on income than the working middle class.

I'm not AGAINST the rich. I'm saying they are in control, and they seem to have stacked the deck in their favor.

 

Hoyt -- that could be as a result of another big american industry-- a consumer product that alters state of mind as well as income

 

You're kind of one-sided, aren't you? What good does changing jobs do, if you're simply going to get screwed the same way at your new job? When employers collude to artificially hold wages down, is that any more 'honest' than their workers banding together for safer work conditions, and an honest day's pay for an honest day's wages?

My definition of a fool is someone who believes employers are all benevolent philanthropists, who will joyously share their wealth with the employees who created it for them by the sweat of their brows.

You need to find a new whipping boy to blame for our economic problems, Hoyt. As of last July, union workers were only 6.7% of employees in the private sector. We actually have a smaller percentage of the work force unionized than we did before 1929, when the Wagner Act (basically legalizing unions) was passed.

It's simply impossible for unions to wield the sort of clout you claim they have.

 

Yo what middle class -- and yes the rich are in control-they always have been --since the first settlers stepped foot upon this soil. I am against the rich--they've gotten so greedy the middle class is destroyed, however now it's pickin time as their offspring are pissing it away -- tradesmen --take no prisioners-- it's your duty to create a new middle class--Hi Ooo Silver, oh, and Gold