Global Warming? are humans to blame?

[Figgy]

Excess greed and nationalism, fine. But please tell me how this God fearing, red-blooded American is helping make for a "dubious government"?

[safewalrus]

Lets really make this political - one person, one vote - never heard such a load of cr**! To have a vote you should earn it! Only those who have SERVED their country should be allowed to vote in it! Ex soldiers, sailors and airmen, (both military and civil) police, medics,etc you get my drift! But the great unwashed who've never done a thing except for themselves, no chance, if you want to freeload off the state thats your problem (and the states) but to tell others who can run it? you've got to be joking! Unfortunately the liberal do-gooders of the world think they have this right! There's only one answer to them and it ain't polite - but until we get to that state we'll always be in the brown stuff

[BillyDoc]

Hey Figgy,

"And they shall be judged by the fruits of their labors."

You can see what our "God Fearing" "Faith Based" government has brought to the world in just a few years:

Torture.
Wars of aggression (clearly war crimes)
Mass murder of civilians and children
Massive theft via conquest
Detention without the benefit of a court review
Listening to your phone without a court order
Habeaus Corpus out the window
Massive election fraud
The death of almost 3000 AMERICAN servicemen and women in pursuit of a criminal war . . .

Do ya catch my drift?

And Safe,

I am a long term "Librul" who actually thinks that fair play for all is a good idea . . . and I agree with you completely about earning the right to vote. When I become Emperor I plan to make having a child an earned right as well. Too many ignorant God-Fearing-rather-than-thinking individuals are breeding us into a disaster.

Let the flames begin.

BillyDoc

[bntii]

Originally Posted by safewalrus

Lets really make this political - one person, one vote - never heard such a load of cr**! To have a vote you should earn it! Only those who have SERVED their country should be allowed to vote in it! Ex soldiers, sailors and airmen, (both military and civil) police, medics,etc you get my drift! But the great unwashed who've never done a thing except for themselves, no chance, if you want to freeload off the state thats your problem (and the states) but to tell others who can run it? you've got to be joking! Unfortunately the liberal do-gooders of the world think they have this right! There's only one answer to them and it ain't polite - but until we get to that state we'll always be in the brown stuff

really needed to edit this post... took me a bit but it seems I have been dooped by someone with a superior sense of humor.

[Figgy]

BillyDoc-
Hey, I'm not pro-Bush, I hate the guy. And yes, more wars in the name religion bla bla bla. My question was how does a patriotic person make for a "dubious government"?
I support the troops, not the war. I love my country, but fear my govt.
I also believe in God, but for me, the two (govt. & religion) dont go hand in hand, and shouldnt either. But I'm dreaming.
But whats killing me now is your "I plan to make having a child an earned right as well" comment. Your kidding, right? I mean, to take away basic human rights is sick. Thats communist. I think what your trying to say is ****** should quit breeding, Thats cool. So we should work on our education system, not tell people how many, if any, children they can have.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by safewalrus

Lets really make this political - one person, one vote - never heard such a load of cr**! To have a vote you should earn it! Only those who have SERVED their country should be allowed to vote in it! Ex soldiers, sailors and airmen, (both military and civil) police, medics,etc you get my drift! But the great unwashed who've never done a thing except for themselves, no chance, if you want to freeload off the state thats your problem (and the states) but to tell others who can run it? you've got to be joking! Unfortunately the liberal do-gooders of the world think they have this right! There's only one answer to them and it ain't polite - but until we get to that state we'll always be in the brown stuff

I am choked I am gasping for words -all I can think of to reply is what a load of crap. Ex sevice men? you mean soldiers and navy, you mean people that could'nt get a real job or was unemplyed and accidentaly walked past the recruitment office one saturday afternoon.

Police----- now you really got me. The most corupt power hungry I am better than you types, the people that know when they leave school at 16 that they can retire at 40 with a pension. wow what a career. Why do you want to be a poice man "Oh so that I can be above my mates and put people in prison, i will never need to tax the car and can park where i want".
You want these people to vote but people like Richard Branson wont be able ---

I suppose that also includes YOU?? You think you know better than the doctors ,stock brokers, bank managers, most of the members of parliment.
Oh well thats Cornwall for you ( thats the bottom bit with a traffic light and some sheep in it).

I got to stop Im finished!

[stonebreaker]

Originally Posted by jack frost

Co2 emission is not like interest rates!!!!!,-- you always need an interest rate, we do not need to manufacture Co2.

Maybe one of these days we won't, but not so far. Until we are completely able to eliminate CO2 emissions, the quotas can be used as a limit on economic activity.

A good example of this is how the CAFE fuel regs could be used. Currently, all car companies in the USA have to meet the same fuel economy standards. However, what if Congress decided that all cars built in the USA got a 5 mpg break over imports? This would, in the short term, kill foreign auto imports because the domestic cars would be both cheaper and more powerful than the imports, and in the long run would force manufacturers to buld plants in the USA in order to compete.

The UN could easily use the CO2 quotas to artificially curb the world's most powerful economies and give a sort of affirmative action leg up to third world countries. It's bad enough that 75% of the jobs in my field are being offshored as it is; I don't need any more help going broke, thank you very much.

[Toot]

Originally Posted by jack frost

I am choked I am gasping for words -all I can think of to reply is what a load of crap. Ex sevice men? you mean soldiers and navy, you mean people that could'nt get a real job or was unemplyed and accidentaly walked past the recruitment office one saturday afternoon.

Police----- now you really got me. The most corupt power hungry I am better than you types, the people that know when they leave school at 16 that they can retire at 40 with a pension. wow what a career. Why do you want to be a poice man "Oh so that I can be above my mates and put people in prison, i will never need to tax the car and can park where i want".
You want these people to vote but people like Richard Branson wont be able ---

I suppose that also includes YOU?? You think you know better than the doctors ,stock brokers, bank managers, most of the members of parliment.
Oh well thats Cornwall for you ( thats the bottom bit with a traffic light and some sheep in it).

I got to stop Im finished!

For what it's worth, I agree with you... I will say, however, that I wouldn't be completely against mandatory government service. I won't say it has to be military service, but if everybody did just one year of work before turning, say, forty, dedicated to whatever they do and whatever they know, the country would be in a much better place. Pick up litter at the side of the road one day a week for 5 years, pitch in to get some freeway projects done faster, join the service, whatever... If we did, people would feel that they have a lot more at stake in the government and the elections. Though I can't imagine it ever happening.

[westlawn5554X]

Ahemm... This must be a global warming effect I feel warm already. Come guys back to the topic? Just choose your favourite emperor and go on with forum life

[Frosty]

Toot,- I am a great believer in thinking that kids who just wont learn and go back and forth out of borstal or prison should be sent to the army. Some of the football hooligans we have in Uk are not human --but they just could be with a bit of service in them Im sure.

The magistrate courts just dont understand what they are up against. Even pshiciatrists cant handle them. Saying they need love and attention because they had trouble wth thier potty when they were 3.

Peeling potatos and washing tanks will help them

[bntii]

Remember acid rain.

Our fearless leader at the time said that it just could not be true. It was just considered a pipedream of the liberal scientists. Any action to curb acid byproducts from our plants was felt to put us at economic disadvantage.

Mercury anyone?
Bush actually pouted on national TV when he said "its not fair, those Chinese don't need to lower emissions why should I?"

Sometimes one needs to stand up and do what is necessary.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by bntii

Sometimes one needs to stand up and do what is necessary.

And whats that then bntii?

[stonebreaker]

Originally Posted by Toot

For what it's worth, I agree with you... I will say, however, that I wouldn't be completely against mandatory government service. I won't say it has to be military service, but if everybody did just one year of work before turning, say, forty, dedicated to whatever they do and whatever they know, the country would be in a much better place. Pick up litter at the side of the road one day a week for 5 years, pitch in to get some freeway projects done faster, join the service, whatever... If we did, people would feel that they have a lot more at stake in the government and the elections. Though I can't imagine it ever happening.

This idea was put forth in a book by Robert Heinlein called "Starship Troopers". Don't judge the book by the movie, btw. Anyway, in order to make earning a vote via govt. service work, he had to make it so that anyone who wanted to, could do their service. Nice concept, but totally unworkable in practice. If for no other reason, it would just cost too much money.

[BillyDoc]

Why "unworkable in practice?" I have served in both the Navy (when the ships were wood, and the men steel . . . not like today) and also as a Peace Corps volunteer. In both cases I provided a social service for my country, and in both cases I wasn't paid very much at all! $75 per month in the Peace Corps, for example! Such service is a bargain for the society that sponsors it, and a great experience for the person doing it as well. A win-win situation for sure!

As another example, I remember reading somewhere that the WWII GI Bill which allowed so many returning veterans the chance to get an education, also allowed them to earn enough more than they otherwise would over their lifetimes to increase their taxes sufficiently to pay back the tax investment made in their education several fold. For a society to invest in it's members is very similar in practice to a manufacturer investing in better tools. Both usually pay back the investment with a profit.

BillyDoc

[stonebreaker]

Originally Posted by BillyDoc

Why "unworkable in practice?"

Partly because of the cost - you'd need huge numbers of employees to monitor all these new voters, for one thing. There are 4 million people turning 18 every year in the United states, which, if all they did was pick up trash along the highway one day a week in groups of 20 for a year, means you'd need 40,000 govt employees just to supervise them. I don't know what the total cost would be, but looking at the government's budget for the coming year, even the Small Business Administration cost over 18 billion to run. I figure you would need something similar to the Department of Education, which required 25 billion to run. Even to the United States, that ain't chicken feed.

Then there's the fact that you'd never, ever get it written into the Constitution. Good luck figuring out how you'd ever get that one passed in Congress.