Global Warming? are humans to blame?

[MatthewDS]

The whole discussion about climate change reminds me of a George Carlin skit years ago about pollution. I went something like: "Save the planet? The planet will be fine, we are the ones who will be f**ked"

I think that if the debate were better described in terms of human survival, rather than saving the planet, more people would be interested in finding a solution, rather than bickering about who is to blame.

Besides, while I defer to the scientists who tell us that global warming is happening, and caused by humans, I frankly think that ocean acidification, overfishing, and economic shocks will destroy our civilization before failed crops and rising sea levels do.

[Boston]

interesting
cause ocean acidification is a direct result of an excess of CO2 in the atmosphere

over fishing is another issue and yes we need to address it imediately however the likely hood that these fish stocks can recover in an ocean damaged by RGCS ( Rapid Global Climate Shift ) is far less than there likely hood of a recovery in a healthy ocean

the economic shock of RGCS will most likely outweigh all previous economic disruptions put together. The simple fact of there being so many refugees will ensure that all remaining government programs will be overwhelmed by the simple magnitude of a world wide event. So you see its all tied together. The context of the reference "end of the world" or "end of the world for humans" is hardly a reason not to save ourselves and therefor the world as we know it

[MatthewDS]

ocean acidification & CO2 are related of course. I'm just saying, the general public doesn't understand PPMs of CO2, or 5 degree C temp increases, but if you say:

"Okay everybody, here is the thing, there will be NO FISH STICKS five years from now"

That might get their attention.

[Boston]

I would agree completely

deal is the public will not react at all until it begins to effect there basic welfare

its to bad really cause by then it will be to late

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Boston

I would agree completely

deal is the public will not react at all until it begins to effect there basic welfare

its to bad really cause by then it will be to late

I agree. By the time it gets through to people that AGW is real, it'll be too late to do much about it. Obviously the world won't come to an end, but my children (and their children and grandchildren) are going to live through some rough times.

I'm not pleased about that. I've always wanted to leave them a better world than the one I inherited -- just as my father left me a better one, and his father left him a better one.

Not that I'm complaining about mine, mind you; it's been pretty good to me. But you always want to leave your children something better anyway....

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Where I live, the growing season lasts year-round. Any increases in average temperature are just going to be frying crops and evaporating water.

You live in the desert.

[Boston]

its not just the desert environment that is being adversely effected by Rapid Global Climate Shift

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Boston

interesting
cause ocean acidification is a direct result of an excess of CO2 in the atmosphere

over fishing is another issue and yes we need to address it imediately however the likely hood that these fish stocks can recover in an ocean damaged by RGCS ( Rapid Global Climate Shift ) is far less than there likely hood of a recovery in a healthy ocean

the economic shock of RGCS will most likely outweigh all previous economic disruptions put together. The simple fact of there being so many refugees will ensure that all remaining government programs will be overwhelmed by the simple magnitude of a world wide event. So you see its all tied together. The context of the reference "end of the world" or "end of the world for humans" is hardly a reason not to save ourselves and therefor the world as we know it

Don't be ass-idiotified. CO2 has not acidified the ocean. Polluted runoff does though, so give a hoot. Don't pollute. CO2 is not pollution in spite of stupid EPA stance.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Boston

its not just the desert environment that is being adversely effected by Rapid Global Climate Shift

Stop changing the name. Its like playing Whackamole.

P.S. Do you ever sleep, or are there more than 1 of you?

[Boston]

actually CO2 is directly responsible for ocean acidification and no I seldom sleep

mostly I stay awake and think of ways to subvert the republican agenda
which is a lot like that whackamole game you mentioned

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Boston

actually CO2 is directly responsible for ocean acidification and no I seldom sleep

mostly I stay awake and think of ways to subvert the republican agenda
which is a lot like that whackamole game you mentioned

Break a leg. We will be here to counter until we die of boredom of your inanity.

[Boston]

ouch
my leg hurts just thinking about it

Counter?
dont you have to present a valid argument first or something
isn't it sorta implied by suggesting a "counter" that you said something accurate or made a reasonable point in the first place. As of yet the republicans have said nothing intelligent as far as most of us can see .

Maybe you could repeat what it is you think requires a "counter" and we can start from there

bearing in mind that there is no scientific debate concerning RGCC
just a republican issue

whacka do whacka do whacka do

[wardd]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

What is not to like about longer growing seasons and less frostbite?

or most of the us a desert and maybe europe much colder when the atlantic conveyor shuts down

[wardd]

who are we going to believe, scientists that have studied the problem for many years or republicans that study polls and what their patrons want?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by wardd

who are we going to believe, scientists that have studied the problem for many years or republicans that study polls and what their patrons want?

Simple. Just ask Rush Limbaugh what to believe, since he's the world's leading expert on all things political, philosophical and scientifical.......