Global Warming? are humans to blame?

[Yobarnacle]

surprise surprise! Can't give you rep, Bamby, recently did, but you DESERVE it!

[Boston]

My thoughts are that we really should stay away from op ed pieces and stick with the science. Given that we can establish the theory so well through cited work and the long history of the science that went into its development, simply dismissing it based on some political policy discussion, seems like an awfully week argument against the theory. If the theory is sound, and it certainly appears to be, then efforts to combat it are also sound.

suggesting that

the entire theory of manmade global warming was a scheme to redistribute wealth

and basing that belief off of a discussion of political policy to combat warming presented in an unreviewed op ed piece of somewhat dubious character, is a great way to look at the evolution of the issue exactly backwards and ignore the science altogether ;-)

but it does still draw a pretty good laugh and although the responses this morning are sparse, it was still well worth opening the page/funnies.

Originally Posted by Bamby

OK Well what's your thoughts on this....

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

If you needed any more evidence that the entire theory of manmade global warming was a scheme to redistribute wealth you got it Sunday when a leading member of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change told a German news outlet, "[W]e redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy."

Such was originally published by Germany's NZZ Online Sunday, and reprinted in English by the Global Warming Policy Foundation moments ago:

Read more: We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy

an interesting read Bamby, but I'm not seeing your point. Are you arguing that climate shift is real now and that through the use of carbon taxes the IPCC is seeking to ensure that whats left of fossil reserves remain in the ground in order to limit temp increases to manageable levels ? The brief excerpt this op ed piece is presenting is clearly talking about carbon taxes

If your arguing that there is a worldwide conspiracy, then shouldn't you first prove that the science of climate shift, a science that goes back to the dawn of science itself, is also a conspiracy, and that these tens of thousands of scientist throughout the ages have somehow communicated through time to build up to the climax moment when we find through that science that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, is causing warming and is the direct result of the burning of fossil fuels ?

If the science is sound, and it most assuredly is, with 98% of climate scientists agreeing, then isn't the effort to combat it, IE the oil and gas industries stranglehold on the energy sector, also sound ? The two ARE inextricably tied. Thus any plans to ensure that enough fossil reserves remain in the ground so that catastrophic warming is prohibited are perfectly reasonable responses by our gubments, although I wouldn't trust them with one dime, let alone billions. The simple reality is that its the science being so definitive on the issue that it requires political action, it does not however stem from political views. Science is science and its findings will not be swayed by political power. Just ask Galileo, who defined our solar system despite being declared a heretic for doing so.

So once again we're back to the established science, if you can't prove that its all a gigantic conspiracy, <------ my personal fave ahahahhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahhahh
then the efforts to combat it are perfectly valid. Although those efforts may/will be conducted by dishonest politicians. Its like saying that since the parks department has been so corrupt and "lost" so much money in graft and shady construction deals, that the concept of having parks is bad.




Climate Fund Seeks UN-Style Diplomatic Immunity

The Green Climate Fund, which is supposed to help mobilize as much as $100 billion a year to lower global greenhouse gases, is seeking a broad blanket of UN-style immunity that would shield its operations from any kind of legal process, including civil and criminal prosecution, in the countries where it operates.

There is just one problem: it is not part of the United Nations.

Read More: Green Climate Fund

actually there's another problem, the article is an op ed piece which fails to mention that this as of yet unformed organization hasn't had the opportunity to become a part of the UN yet. Kinda puts a kink in the whole argument. Another trouble spot is its source, Fox news is hardly a bastion of unbiased reporting. Which is why I'm constantly harping on using peer reviewed and published works in our discourse. Makes for a far more accurate level of conversation

Is this finally proof we're NOT causing global warming? The whole of the Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions, says new study

Evidence was found in a rare mineral that records global temperatures
Warming was far-reaching and NOT limited to Europe
Throws doubt on orthodoxies around 'global warming'

Read more: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2

Here's another similar mirror thread going on elsewhere for your entertainment: Calling all Global Warming.....

Haw, Haw Success got past the forbidden word checker..

I gotta wonder if you realize your suggesting that thousands of years ago the first scientists to study science all somehow knew that this day would come when a country that wouldn't exist for a hundreds of years would somehow develop as of yet unknown reserves of fossil fuels and that those fossil fuels would create an as of yet undiscovered gas that would cause an as of yet undiscovered effect on our atmosphere which would eventually be reason for the world proletariat to demand change/form a conspiracy against the mega wealthy of thousands of years into the future. Good idear, thats exactly what I thought ahahahahahahhahhhhahhhahahahahhahaahhaahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahaha
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[Yobarnacle]

Still trying to control what other people post, Boston?
Have you been faithfully and regularly taking your anti-psychotic medicine? Only a yes or no answer is permitted.

Post what you want, and so will we.

But your desire to control and manipulate is well known. And reflected in your politics and philosophy.

And the article you don't like wasn't an opinion piece. It was a quote from an IPCC member, arrogantly stating the IPCC's goal is wealth re-distribution.
Some of us already knew that.
You need to argue with the IPCC member that said it!

And the research confirming the medieval warm period was global wasn't hundreds or 1000s of years ago, but quite recently in the last year. Don't read very well do you? Or you have blinders on!

[sdowney717]

Dont fall for the dead and dying polar bears extinction due to AGW argument.
The earth has been much warmer in the past and they survived perfectly well.
I see this coming up frequently in the media about the poor starving bears.

I read somewhere else their numbers are actually up.

[sdowney717]

seen this one yet on refuting Gore?

http://www.carbon-sense.com/wp-conte.../hertzberg.pdf

Gore also neglects to ask the most logical question: where did
all that CO2 come from during those warming periods when the
human production of CO2 was essentially zero? The answer is that it
came from the same place that the current increase is coming from:
from the oceans. The amount of CO2 dissolved in the Earth’s oceans
is at least 50 to 100 times greater than the amount in the
atmosphere. As oceans warm for whatever reason, some of their
dissolve CO2 is emitted into the atmosphere, just as your soda pop
goes flat and loses its dissolved CO2 as it warms to room
temperature. As oceans cool, CO2 from the atmosphere dissolves
back into the oceans, just as soda pop is manufactured by injecting
CO2 into cold water.
That explains not only the CO2 variations in this data for the
420 thousand years before any human production of CO2, but also
the much larger CO2 increases that occurred some 20 - 30 million
years before humans even appeared on the earth.
So Gore and the IPCC have it back asswards: it is the warming
of the earth that is causing the increase in CO2, not the other way
around as they claim. Let us look at some more data on the question
of whether the current modest increase in the average temperature
of the Earth is caused by the human production of CO2. The data for
the recent decades is shown here:

[Yobarnacle]

Maybe the north american yellow bear will return to lower Canada and the UP of Michigan.
Yellow is the summer coat of the polar bear. Thrived in MUCH warmer temperatures.

[Frosty]

Morinin ---ding ding,-- ready for post 3000.

Wow 3000 pages of global warming discussions full of interesting information.

This should be printed and bound.

Any way Yobi this CO2 stuff you keep on about --what is it? Im a little confused ,--what was it again,----he he he

[Yobarnacle]

Me? My only concern is brain oxygen starvation for those who are addicted to CO2 drives climate.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Still trying to control what other people post, Boston?
Have you been faithfully and regularly taking your anti-psychotic medicine? Only a yes or no answer is permitted.

Post what you want, and so will we.

But your desire to control and manipulate is well known. And reflected in your politics and philosophy.

And the article you don't like wasn't an opinion piece. It was a quote from an IPCC member, arrogantly stating the IPCC's goal is wealth re-distribution.
Some of us already knew that.
You need to argue with the IPCC member that said it!

And the research confirming the medieval warm period was global wasn't hundreds or 1000s of years ago, but quite recently in the last year. Don't read very well do you? Or you have blinders on!

My son married a beautiful, intelligent and sweet woman on Saturday. It was a great day.

[Yobarnacle]

Congratulations Hoyt. To your son also. To all your family.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Troy

You don't have to buy it. The simple fact they ARE using fear to push Global Warming gives GREAT credence to Lindzins "opinion" they are using fear to push it.

And no matter how many scientists I quote, you respond with "that doesn't count"!

Well. We are not going to allow cap and trade, or any kind of carbon tax in the USA. We will continue to use petrol and coal. If you think you are doomed, I'm sorry you can't sleep well because of it. I don't believe in doom science or it's predictions. So, I sleep fine.

Guess we'll just have to show you at the ballot box, we aren't just an insignificant few.

(I predict republicans win , house, senate, and president.)

I agree. I can barely wait 'til November.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by GTO

Boston, if you could actually read and comprehend, you would realize I stated NO such correlation. Here's an analogy maybe even your simplistic mind can understand. Take a freezer filled with food brought down to a stable 32 degrees. Then set the freezer temp to 33 degrees. Take a second empty freezer down to 32 degrees and then up the temp to 33 degrees in it too. Can your feeble mind grasp which freezer will reach and stabilize at 33 degrees first? No, you can't so I'll tell you. The empty one.

The Earth is a giant heat/cold sink. As the temperature increases over time, the sink loses it's ability to moderate the temperature changes and WHATEVER is driving the temperate change has a greater effect. But that is thermodynamics, something of which I doubt you've any comprehension.

I have to admit Boston, you have a mind like a steel trap. It mangles every bit of data that passes through it! So go back and tell your friends how badly you screwed it up, OK? I personally don't understand the excessive use of emoticons in all of your posts - but then simple minds do like simple things. So I'll copy the concept to make you feel like you are in a more friendly discussion.
Oh, I think I'll go tell all my PHD friends, working in the offices around me on various projects, on how a self proclaimed expert of global cooling/warming/shifting/extreme shifting can't even read. That is such a hoot, you ole goof ball!!!!
:

So the warmists' brains will warm up the fastest!

[Yobarnacle]

one more post Hoyt
magic 3000 is yours!

anybody but Boston

[hoytedow]

If Boston posts, then deletes a previous post, 3,000 would be his, but now its yours.

[Yobarnacle]

there's a time limit on my deleting posts. Not for everyone?