Global Warming? are humans to blame?

[Yobarnacle]

Well, I proved GW is hokey. Nobody can refute that!

[Yobarnacle]

Hoyte. Of course I didn't do the research on boreholes and ice cores myself. I only found the research. Does or does not, a global Medieval Warm Period, warmer then than it is now, blow the whole manmade global warming theory to hell and gone?

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

...Does or does not, a global Medieval Warm Period, warmer then than it is now, blow the whole manmade global warming theory to hell and gone?

It does. They have tried to bury that little fact, however.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

It does. They have tried to bury that little fact, however.

Thanks Actually they tried to claim it was a local anomaly only in europe. Cause they knew it would trash all their arguments if it was a global warm period. And they had the peer reviewed and accepted report of the 6000 bore holes data over all the continents showing it WAS medieval global warming, a whole year before Mann published his "It's unique warming only in the present" report.
Knowledge beforehand, deliberately hidden, and ignored, makes it fraud. Lock his arse up! And the rest of them!

[hoytedow]

Speaking of knowledge beforehand, what size engine would you recommend for the size craft I illustrated?

TEOTWAWKI Boat

[Yobarnacle]

That's not a simple question!
First do a needs analysis.
1. How much are you prepared to spend on the total propulsion system.
2. How many hours and at what speeds do you need stored energy. Either liquid fuel or batterys. Before a refuel, recharge.
3. What is the maximum machinery and fuel/battery weight the boat will carry. This is part of the total load carrying capacity. Obviously, you want to reserve some for passengers and camping gear ect. on board too.
4. What kinds of water will you use the boat in. Shallow, rock strewn, weedy, salt, fresh, currents, waves, ect.
Probably a few more things to consider. These above are obvious.

[hoytedow]

Forget electric. Gasoline all the way. I love burning fossil fuels because they deliver more energy per pound carried. My budget will allow up to 15 hp but is that much necessary? If less will deliver well without overtaxing the engine why oversize? Overtaxing is always bad in every scenario. I have a 35 lb. thrust trolling motor that would work but I hate carrying that large battery. I believe a lawn tractor size battery on the motor's alternator is adequate for my needs.

[Yobarnacle]

How many miles there and back, maximum, with no available fuel docks enroute?

I think 15hp is overpowered.

[Yobarnacle]

Here is a suggestion. Build the boat and try it with the trolling motor. Light load, just you, and full load. That will give you a min and max loaded speeds with 35 lbs thrust. Then you can calculate needed thrust and speed, and size the motor purchase with data instead of guessing.

[hoytedow]

Range won't be a problem. The longest we would ever do might be a cross-Florida run between Ft. Pierce and Ft. Myers. The most open water would be on the order of a Lake Okeechobee or Tampa Bay or close in around Mullet Key or similar coastal island.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Here is a suggestion. Build the boat and try it with the trolling motor. Light load, just you, and full load. That will give you a min and max loaded speeds with 35 lbs thrust. Then you can calculate needed thrust and speed, and size the motor purchase with data instead of guessing.

Good idea. I will do just that once it is built.

[hoytedow]

If we talk about boat design long enough we might just be able to kill this thread.

[Yobarnacle]

Nah! An end of civilization boat is on topic in this thread.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Boston

same holds true with the environment
its just as much a living organism as its more mobile components are
the GIA principal
you might check it out if you get the time
B

Recently I asked Boston if he was a Gaia religionist, cause that would go far to explain his views. He didn't respond. But looky here, looky here!
Yep he IS!
The Gaia cultists are green-religionists. An ecology religion cult. And he denied his convictions were faith based!
tsk. tsk. tsk.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Boston
You aren't one of those Gaia religionists are you? Would explain a lot of your views!

Yep I did!

And yep he did! he denied his convictions were faith based!


Quote:
Boston
Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troy2000
Yob, CO2 being a major greenhouse gas isn't a matter of faith, or simply part of a belief system. It's a matter of scientific fact -- which as I said, has been established for generations.

But of course, blurring the line between fact and faith is routinely tried by people who attack science. If they can reduce all scientific facts, systems and theories to matters of faith, then they can claim, "well, it's just your faith against mine."

Trying to claim CO2 is a minor player simply because there's so little of it compared to water vapor is rhetorical legerdemain and slight of hand. It isn't a matter of how much CO2 there is; it's a matter of what it does.

OK, I'm really outa here this time. I don't intend to get sucked any farther into this morass. [end Troy quote]

Bingo

even I don't see any value in trying to set him straight, some folks are blind, and some put on blindfolds, some simply slowly loose it as they get older. Its not hard to see which combination we've got here
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I am skeptical of the deniers diatribe

[end Boston quote]


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