Global Warming? are humans to blame?

Driven by ????

 

Well, I've studied a bit about weather, but more practical than theoretical.

Air pressure gradients and air temperature gradients mostly cause weather. Air is affected, by the sea temperatures, and land temperatures, and by the sun, and coriolis effect. Air is also affected by dust and other particulate matter, called aerosols, and by water vapor resulting from evaporation, and recently scientifically demonstrated, by cosmic waves.

Do I have to explain how all this works together?
I understand the basic ideas, but i'd be inept at explaining it to you.

 

2700 posts on this thread over years of discussion and argument and I don't believe a base for your belief system has yet been determined.

Its what you would call a baseless conversation.

I did not say tedious , boring , pointless, repetitive but 'Ide like to.

 

My beliefs are mine, and shared by others. If yours are different, how does that make mine baseless? It just means YOU don't accept my base assumptions.



If you're bored, don't you have more interesting things to do?

 

Yob, CO2 being a major greenhouse gas isn't a matter of faith, or simply part of a belief system. It's a matter of scientific fact -- which as I said, has been established for generations.

But of course, blurring the line between fact and faith is routinely tried by people who attack science. If they can reduce all scientific facts, systems and theories to matters of faith, then they can claim, "well, it's just your faith against mine."

Trying to claim CO2 is a minor player simply because there's so little of it compared to water vapor is rhetorical legerdemain and slight of hand. It isn't a matter of how much CO2 there is; it's a matter of what it does.

OK, I'm really outa here this time. I don't intend to get sucked any farther into this morass.

 

Im supposed to accept your 'base' assumptions

----Asumptions ? dont you know? How is there a' base of belief' from an assumption?? What a croc!!

-1 is not weather. Weather is fog, rain cloud, cumulus nimbus, storms ,wind , hurricane, typhoons.

Cold is lack of insulation of the stratosphere and atmosphere working incorrectly.

Cold of that intensity in Scotland in April is unusual to say the least.

 

i most like old mariners weather forcasting adages.

"Mackerel skies and mare's tails, make tall ships carry low sails."

"Red at night, sailors delight, red in the morning, sailors take warning."

"When rain comes before the wind,
stays and halyards you must tend.
But with the wind before the rain,
soon you may make sail again."

or the barometer

"Long foretold, long last
Short notice, soon past,
Quick rise after low,
Sure sign of stronger blow"

Stuff like that!

 

Just exactly when did the theory of CO2 drives climate, cease being a theory and become a fact?

 

Frosty
I'm glad to know that -1 degree in April in Scotland isn't cold weather.

 

Oh, the "they are shills" argument as diminishment of opposing viewpoints.

Debunkers of the global warming theory have received approx = $21M (Million).
Supporters of the global warming theory have received approx = $79B (BILLION!)

 

Im not talking any more --its boring --Im going out.

 

Okay, folks.

You had your chance. The chart I copied off a warmers site is flawed because;

Look at legend lower left side.

Above the median, it's marked 0.2 C, 0.4 c, 0.6 C, ect.

Below the median it's marked -1.2 C, -1.4 C, -1.6 C.

This is glaringly wrong, by a whole degree C.


Below the median should be:

-0.2C, -0.4C, -0.6C
The same as above the median, but negative.

So much for accuracy of data, huh?

 

Is man made global warming a fact? Is the debate settled?
Or wishfull thinking by warm-mongers?

"Asserting ‘the science is settled’ ignores the debate that still rages, and the constant shrieking by alarmists like Al Gore reveals that Global Warming is being used to push a hidden agenda.
They are not really interested in the science at all. Even their much vaunted consensus is a myth.
The Global Warming Petition Project has been signed by more than 31,000 American scientists, including more than 9,000 with PhDs. Signers include world renowned physicists such as Prof. Edward Teller and Prof. Freeman Dyson.
Nearly 4,000 signers are scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.

The petition states: “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

http://www.green-agenda.com/science.html

hmmm. doesn't sound like much of a settled argument. And even if there was a consensus, doesn't make it a fact.
About 600 years ago the consensus was the world was flat!

 

Why would they lie to us? Let's ask them!

""The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations

"
"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?"
- Maurice Strong,
founder of the UN Environment Programme

"A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells;
the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people.
We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to
the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many
apparently brutal and heartless decisions.''
- Prof Paul Ehrlich,
The Population Bomb

“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations
on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.”
- Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research



Read more quotes here. It's their own words!

http://www.green-agenda.com/

 

I think you should go out and do some shopping for the wife or something. Try to get some air.

Ille take a guess you smoke?