Global Warming? are humans to blame?

Bos --I just paid my insurance this afternoon , I said its thicker this year, Its got all sorts of disclaimers than it had last year.

Its not bad weather or global warming its stock markets,-- the stock holder needs more profit or he will sell his shares and buy something else.

The stock / share holder rules the world.

 

"Frustrated by the lack of computer-predicted warming over the past decade, some IPCC supporters have been claiming that "extreme weather" has become more common because of more CO2. But there is no hard evidence this is true. After an unusually cold winter in 2011 (December 2010-February 2011) the winter of 2012 was unusually warm in the continental United States. But the winter of 2012 was bitter in Europe, Asia and Alaska."

Weather has always been unstable. Weather IS always unstable. There isn't any such thing as STABLE weather, more than a few days at a time. Look at the records. In MY short life theres been many very cold and very warm seasons, and droughts, floods, and severe storms.

Extreme weather is NORMAL weather in the records!
Here are records, DATA, for 130 years in Minnesotta. Look yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Minnesota_weather_records
Weather is a local phenomenon. You can't discuss WORLD weather. That's vegetable soup. 57 kinds of veggies.

Temperature doesn't follow your warm-monger predictions, so you try to find another phenomenon to explain and support your theory! You're too obvious!

Science? Phooey!

Phenomenon don't explain THEORIES!

Theories try to explain PHENOMENON!


but, it's typical warm-monger fuzzy logic!

 

Don't poo poo them global warmins. They are good for buisiness !

Lets face it with the ice melting and the seas rising more boats will be needed. All the boat-builders and us NA's on this forum will be very busy. More pirogues in the driveways, new Lloyd/ABS/DNV rules will require them to be 'inclined' and built to class. Pretty soon we'll be as rich and respected as MD's.

I was planning on laughing all the way to the bank too, until this morning; when I read in the paper that my favorite molluscs are threatened by CO2 and Global Warmins.

'Boston' Please, tell me it ain't so. Those comunisss scientists have no shame; they will try anything to scare us, simple folks.

When I am on a job on the West Coast of the US one of my favorite 'treat' is to drive by Oysterville or any of those oyster farms in Oregon and Washington states, and shuck a couple of dozens of those delicious bivalves. With a good knife, cocktail sauce, a few lemons, a tall glass of Guinness/Coor/Heineken on the counter, overlooking a sunset on Puget Sound ..... Life is good !

Do they have a few broiled oysters recipes on the cooking thread ?
I guess I'll have to switch to Lay's compressed sawdust Pringles and salsa.

They were right, when they said "they came first for the gays, then the priests, then the jews..."..... Now they are after my oysters.

Darn it ! Where will those global warmin fearmongers go next ? I see it coming ... No snow in Aspen ! I know, I may have to switch to water skying.

I am telling you folks; Those global 'varmins' have no heart !

 

All the species presently on earth have survived AND thrived in much warmer epochs than now, or even the "high" tenperatures predicted by the "climate scientist warm-mongers" (as opposed to climate scientists who are NOT endorsing GW).

But even the global warmists secretly admit to each other. the temperatures haven't risen as predicted. They're desperate! That is why they've changed to preaching "violent weather" is caused by CO2.

Are they now Violent Warmists? Or Global Violentas?

I can't laugh, because Why does CO2 HAVE to be an issue? Because, human beings are obviously destroying the planet and HAVE to be controlled. They won't stop by themselves. And CO2, while only 380 parts per million in the atmosphere, a teensy, tiny part, is the ONLY thing they can attribute to humanity, to further their agenda. Thats why they ignore water vapor.

There is no possible other explanation or agenda for this fanatical adherrence to a busted theory of CO2 drives climate. At least none I can see.

I'll not under-estimate them. They're dangerous!

 

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Comon Yobi I know you are replyoing I can see you are on whos on line hurry up
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I got this email Frosty, but don't see the post.

I'm not hovering in this forum. I'm on line for other reasons. I check my email from time to time and reply to posts in several threads.

i leave windows open but diminished. it's faster and easier to simply restore to larger size.

 

How very true,he banks the profits and lives off the interest.He doesnt need to invest or speculate,just sit back and do sfa.Thats why the world is on its derriere.

 

Shame about your oysters,its probably that new world threat.
GLOBAL URINATION

 

Don't believe everything you read that's been written by the fear-mongers at the paper. There's always mountain oysters.

 

Because everyone knows that being an astronaut makes you a renowned expert on climate change, right? Please...

Why don't you line up some pro baseball players (or bikini beach soccer players) while you're at it? They play outside, so they must be climate experts too....

 

NASA Scientists dispute agencys activist stance

49 Former NASA Scientists Send A Letter Disputing Climate Change
Gus Lubin | Apr. 11, 2012, 7:10 AM



Some prominent voices at NASA are fed up with the agency's activist stance toward climate change.

The following letter asking the agency to move away from climate models and to limit its stance to what can be empirically proven, was sent by 49 former NASA scientists and astronauts.

The letter criticizes the Goddard Institute For Space Studies especially, where director Jim Hansen and climatologist Gavin Schmidt have been outspoken advocates for action.

The press release with attached letter is below.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Blanquita Cullum 703-307-9510 bqview at mac.com

Joint letter to NASA Administrator blasts agency’s policy of ignoring empirical evidence

HOUSTON, TX – April 10, 2012.

49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for it’s role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question.

The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, are dismayed over the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change. They charge that NASA is relying too heavily on complex climate models that have proven scientifically inadequate in predicting climate only one or two decades in advance.

H. Leighton Steward, chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2, noted that many of the former NASA scientists harbored doubts about the significance of the C02-climate change theory and have concerns over NASA’s advocacy on the issue. While making presentations in late 2011 to many of the signatories of the letter, Steward realized that the NASA scientists should make their concerns known to NASA and the GISS.

“These American heroes – the astronauts that took to space and the scientists and engineers that put them there – are simply stating their concern over NASA’s extreme advocacy for an unproven theory,” said Leighton Steward. “There’s a concern that if it turns out that CO2 is not a major cause of climate change, NASA will have put the reputation of NASA, NASA’s current and former employees, and even the very reputation of science itself at risk of public ridicule and distrust.”

Select excerpts from the letter:

“The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.”
“We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated.”
“We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject.”

The full text of the letter:

March 28, 2012

The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science

CC: *** Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

/s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years

/s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years

/s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years

/s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years

/s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years

/s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years

/s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years

/s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years

/s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years

/s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years

/s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years

/s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years

/s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years

/s/ Anita Gale

/s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years

/s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years

/s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years

/s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years

/s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years

/s/ Thomas J. Harmon

/s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years

/s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years

/s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years

/s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years

/s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years

/s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years

/s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, ***.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years

/s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen

/s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, ***’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years

/s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years

/s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years

/s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years

/s/ Tom Ohesorge

/s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years

/s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years

/s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate,40 years

/s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years

/s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years

/s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years

/s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, ***’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years

/s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years/s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years

/s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years

/s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years

/s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years

/s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4#ixzz1rrLAXsDs

http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4

 

Agreed that astronauts aren't climate scientists. So what ARE astronauts specialists in? The early astronauts were all test pilots. The best. Many also had engineering degrees. I don't know if recent astronauts were also test pilots.

What's the one most important quality or ability of someone testing experimental ultra velocity aircraft?
Excellent judgement and intuition as to what's real and important!
Those that don't have it, bore holes in the ground!
Besieged by huge amounts of senses data and instrument data, they must very quickly find the piece that allows them to decide the correct response!
Not many people can do this.
Not many people have the talent to be a great artist either!
My contention is, though lot's of people aren't qualified to make climate models.
That doesn't mean, we can't judge when we are being lied to.
The climate models of the climate scientists have failed. Miserably! 22 years of being wrong is miserably!
They won't publicly admit it.
But their predictions are public record and so is the temperature data. Doesn't match.
What should inteligent people conclude? Climate scientists are correct INSPITE of being wrong?

 

Pooh. Promulgating the latest and most accurate scientific information available is hardly being "activist." You might as well accuse physicists of being activists, because they spread the notion that gravity exists.....

And I repeat: when did being an astronaut and riding a rocket into space turn someone into a climate change expert?