Global Warming? are humans to blame?

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by masalai

What influences the weather? - The Temperature of the oceans and THEY ARE RISING FAST (The temperature is) antarctic ice (The non floating stuff) is melting faster than ever before, and so I understand, is the arctic (floating stuff) allowing shipping to pass regularly? - - What next - The Ice on Greenland is melting and causing concern - even the mainstream media has that as a news item. Land is ALWAYS colder than waters when sun's warming radiation is reflected by clouds.

Cyclists claim that there is a cooling period now, but it ain't happening, as the oceans waters are warmer, so much so that irrikandji (box jelly-fish) were seen last summer, as far south as Brisbane when they usually only get to Townsville in summer time in the past...

A new study has revealed a global warming and rising of the oceans. Contrasting ocean temperature readings from the 1870s with modern readings, this study reveals an upward rising trend spanning over 100 years.

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/18HkV)

Dan Roemmich, a Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego physical oceanographer led the research. He found a .33 degree Celsius (.59-degree Fahrenheit) increase on average in the top portions of the ocean, down to 700 meters. Ocean surface temperatures, however, saw the largest amount of temperature rise at .59 degrees Celsius (1.1 degree Fahrenheit) and down to .12 degrees Celsius (.22 degree Fahrenheit) at 900 meters.

Roemmich’s study is the first to compare the temperature between the voyage of HMS Challenger (1872-1876) and data from modern day readings conducted by ocean-probing robots. These robots continuously report the ocean’s temperature thanks to the global Argo program. Scientists have long believed 90% of Earth’s excess heat in the climate system since the 1960s has been trapped and stored in the oceans.

Roemmich’s study, however, reports the warming trend began much sooner, as soon as 100 years ago. His report was co-authored by John Gould of the United Kingdom-based National Oceanography Centre and John Gilson of Scripps Oceanography. It was published on April 1, 2012, in an advance online edition of Nature Climate Change.

“The significance of the study is not only that we see a temperature difference that indicates warming on a global scale, but that the magnitude of the temperature change since the 1870s is twice that observed over the past 50 years,” said Roemmich, co-chairman of the International Argo Steering Team. “This implies that the time scale for the warming of the ocean is not just the last 50 years but at least the last 100 years.”

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/18HkV)

1/3 degree C in 100 years. WoW! that's rapid warming alright!

[Yobarnacle]

I suspect most people are polarized as to belief in global warming.
Those who believe the earth is warming encompass ALL who agree it's warmed even a bit.
I believe it's warmed a bit. The data proves the earth has warmed about 8/10 ths of a degree C in last 150 years. And the oceans 1/3 degreeC in a 100 years. There is no denying this.
The true issues are: How significant is it? Is it manmade? Are we dooming ourselves? Do we need drastic change to prevent disaster?

These aren't dramatic changes and match other anomalies in climate history.

The ONLY dramatic changes, occur in model predictions. These models have PROVEN to be unreliable. We aren't seeing the predicted dramatic temperature rises.

I bet a poll in the USA, not on belief in global warming, but "Is global warming significant enough to warrant drastic changes?" would tally to be around 80/20. The 80% not wanting ANY drastic change. And not because they're stupid or selfish. Actually, they're the cooler wiser heads, who won't be stampeded by false predictions and sensational lies! I'd like to see such a poll.

[Boston]

Not a single competent response to the science, yikes.

So the basics are very well established and nothing of those basics is beyond freshman chemistry 1001. Yet we still have a small group of deniers who think that even when we've had the hottest last 12 months on record, its cooling

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

A new study has revealed a global warming and rising of the oceans. Contrasting ocean temperature readings from the 1870s with modern readings, this study reveals an upward rising trend spanning over 100 years.

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/18HkV)

Dan Roemmich, a Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego physical oceanographer led the research. He found a .33 degree Celsius (.59-degree Fahrenheit) increase on average in the top portions of the ocean, down to 700 meters. Ocean surface temperatures, however, saw the largest amount of temperature rise at .59 degrees Celsius (1.1 degree Fahrenheit) and down to .12 degrees Celsius (.22 degree Fahrenheit) at 900 meters.

Roemmich’s study is the first to compare the temperature between the voyage of HMS Challenger (1872-1876) and data from modern day readings conducted by ocean-probing robots. These robots continuously report the ocean’s temperature thanks to the global Argo program. Scientists have long believed 90% of Earth’s excess heat in the climate system since the 1960s has been trapped and stored in the oceans.

Roemmich’s study, however, reports the warming trend began much sooner, as soon as 100 years ago. His report was co-authored by John Gould of the United Kingdom-based National Oceanography Centre and John Gilson of Scripps Oceanography. It was published on April 1, 2012, in an advance online edition of Nature Climate Change.

“The significance of the study is not only that we see a temperature difference that indicates warming on a global scale, but that the magnitude of the temperature change since the 1870s is twice that observed over the past 50 years,” said Roemmich, co-chairman of the International Argo Steering Team. “This implies that the time scale for the warming of the ocean is not just the last 50 years but at least the last 100 years.”

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/18HkV)

Are you calling Scripps Institute scientists incompetent, Boston?

Well, I agree with ONE part of your post! You are indeed showing your ASS! But must you speak out of it? (your breath! whew!) Real hot house gasses there!

[Yobarnacle]

The lack of warming for more than a decade and the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change began issuing projections in 1990 proves that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, alarmists have shifted from promoting warming to promoting weather extremes, to argue anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate MUST be ascribed to CO2.

It's CO2, CO2, CO2! It just MUST be responsible for SOMETHING bad! Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

Doom is around the corner! Doom by ______________! (We'll fill in the blank later), but it's DEFINITELY caused by anthroprogenic CO2! That's an irrefutable FACT!
So say ye all? (Only approved consensus please) The Yeas have it! What about the Nays? Nays are uneducated boobs and don't count! They can't do science!

Well, those dozens of Fema camps that look like prisons (in case of civil unrest the govt claims) ought to come in handy after the trial about the warmist scam.

[hoytedow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86114TgHRw

[Submarine Tom]

Nice taste there Hoyt man.

[Yobarnacle]

quoting myself:
Well, those dozens of Fema camps that look like prisons (in case of civil unrest the govt claims) ought to come in handy after the trial about the warmist scam.
end quote

No I don't really believe Fema concentration camps exist. Nor do I believe the earth is going to become unlivable warm due to CO2.

I was putting the two myths appropriately together. Tongue in cheek.

[Bamby]

The Top Short-Term Threat to Humanity: The Fuel Pools of Fukushima

Maybe Boston can come up with a solution to this predicament, seems it's potentially a lot more intimate than burning any amount of carbon...

Then again speaking of burning.... Japan is Poisoning Other Countries By Burning Highly-Radioactive Debris

[gonzo]

According to geological and fossil records the Earth has had approximately 600 millions years of climate much warmer than the average today. When did "Global warming started"?

[Yobarnacle]

Global Warming Alarmism started with the first IPCC report issued in 1990.

The earth has actually been more or less continuously warming since the last ice age. There have been periods where it cooled again before warming. In medieval times, it was much warmer than now. They grew grapes in England.

But there were other ice ages and warm periods earlier.

[valvebounce]

Originally Posted by Boston

Not a single competent response to the science, yikes.

So the basics are very well established and nothing of those basics is beyond freshman chemistry 1001. Yet we still have a small group of deniers who think that even when we've had the hottest last 12 months on record, its cooling

Very funny,I am coming to the conclusion you are just a wind up merchant and dont believe what you are saying any more than I do.

[hoytedow]

You look a little jaundiced, Bos.

[valvebounce]

Originally Posted by gonzo

According to geological and fossil records the Earth has had approximately 600 millions years of climate much warmer than the average today. When did "Global warming started"?

Now thats cut to the chase,it should dispel all the theories.
Good thinking Gonzo

[CatBuilder]

Come on, Valvebounce... I said this about a year ago and about 100 pages back on this thread... what... no credit?