Global Warming? are humans to blame?

[BPL]

It depends how sound the science is. I have changed my behavior where science has reached consensus that certain behaviors are bad for health. Once scientific consensus is reached, there is usually an alternate solution that is nearly as good. For example, the freedom to use lead paint, to install asbestos insulation, to pour old gasoline or solvents down the drain. I don't look forward to a world of decreased mobility.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by BPL

Whether or not scientifically there is an irreversible point is an important debate
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...to-becoming-ir

That is impossible to determine. You can only theorise.
Do what you can to forestall that "posibility", but without cutting off your nose to spite your face. Don't create a more devastating societal disaster in an effort to avert a less catastrophic "possible" future event!

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by BPL

It depends how sound the science is. I have changed my behavior where science has reached consensus that certain behaviors are bad for health. Once scientific consensus is reached, there is usually an alternate solution that is nearly as good. For example, the freedom to use lead paint, to install asbestos insulation, to pour old gasoline or solvents down the drain. I don't look forward to a world of decreased mobility.

Ah! Then you are a rational and responsible person. Have you no faith in others being equally wise?

[Yobarnacle]

If the earth warms and seas rise. What affect will this have on humanity?

[Yobarnacle]

If we are panicked into "drastic" measures and surrendering our freedom of choice to "higher" authorities for our own good. What affect will this have on the future of humanity?

[Boston]

Originally Posted by valvebounce

My apologies,my intentions were not to distract or disrupt,but just to communicate across the pond.Media segregation tends to seperate information between countries.
As for the original subject,ie Global warming,I believe it is a natural process,extended minimally by human activity,which in my opinion is unavoidable if we want to live on this planet.China has reached its industrial revolution,which in my opinion they're entitled to,to expect them to toe the line after we have had our period of pollution is out of order.
I believe they will develop Africa,and populate it with their vast population.Bit of a turnaround in global warming methinks.

no worries but I gotta ask, what natural process are you aware of that could have caused this level of warming that also explains the exact correlation between CO2 and temp ?

[BPL]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

That is impossible to determine. You can only theorise.
Do what you can to forestall that "posibility", but without cutting off your nose to spite your face. Don't create a more devastating societal disaster in an effort to avert a less catastrophic "possible" future event!

The question is, how solid is the science. Weather forecasts are only predictions. We evaluate and then change our behavior accordingly. How solid is the science behind climate change? Do we have a measurable impact that can change our lives, or don't we.

[Boston]

its very solid and yes there are measurable impacts. Even more so the theory has been accurately predicting for quite some time now, so not only is the science very solid but we have a working theory to go along with that solid science

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Boston

no worries but I gotta ask, what natural process are you aware of that could have caused this level of warming that also explains the exact correlation between CO2 and temp ?

The correlation between CO? and warming? LMAO

Theories aren't facts, and the data says CO2 lags warming. Even today.

I know the argument that yesterdays heat causes todays CO2 which causes tomorrows trapped heat, accelerating the sequence.

If temperatures and CO2 were bonds and stocks, and we were discussing finances, would you invest your financial future in such a pyramid scheme?

You are you know! You are considering investing your entire futures in this theory!

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Boston

its very solid and yes there are measurable impacts. Even more so the theory has been accurately predicting for quite some time now, so not only is the science very solid but we have a working theory to go along with that solid science

Quite some time? SOLID science?
Todays climate scientists excuse the new ice age predictions of the 70s as "It's a new science. We didn't know much then!"

In a few years they'll be apologising for global warming in the same way.

You heard it here folks.

[Yobarnacle]

I'd like so much to see a comparison between what lifestyle adaptations may be required by 2100 if global warming predictions proves true.
And what lifestyle adaptations are likely by 2050 in an attempt to forestall global warming.

In other words, what's the costs?

How much change in lifestyle are you prepared to make now, to avoid a lifestyle change in the future. People are willing to sacrifice, I know. People are wonderfull creatures most of them.
Scale. What's the scale of sacrifice to the scale of benefit.

Anybody suggesting mans extinction a risk?

[Submarine Tom]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

I know. Wasn't correcting you Capt Tom. Just the best of the remains of the day.

Didn't think you were.

Have a great weekend!

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by Submarine Tom

Didn't think you were.

Have a great weekend!

You too cap.

[valvebounce]

Originally Posted by Boston

no worries but I gotta ask, what natural process are you aware of that could have caused this level of warming that also explains the exact correlation between CO2 and temp ?

The use of the earths resources are bound to have an effect on temparature and c02 levels,we are changing energy into another form,so as with any energy change there will be heat.Recent decades of solar activity add to this.
We are emptying oil and gas from beneath the earths platial platforms,hence when the platforms lose their support we have earthquakes and tsunami's when they settle to new levels.I regard my veiw as common sense,and although science cannot be ignored,I think it is misaligned into scaremongery.
I have no intention of changing my "carbon footprint"or changing my lifestyle to suit.I will carry on respecting the countryside and my fellow man,which I think in the long run,is more important.
Kind regards

[valvebounce]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I know-- I got on a big parraffin budgie years ago.

I do not know of any Englishman that is in anyway happy at immigration control,-- never met one person ever.

You see the budget? children born this year will work till they are 70. Thats to pay for immigrants on social,--I gotta stop there an go get some air.

We get corry on the box each night for an hour, bleedin pakis in that now.

I think we are a bit behind you, like Becky just got of
from the old bill for drugging and Jason just won Weatherfield gay boy.
Do you do Corry? Emerdale then?

Hey up frosty,I just realised you might want previews of Corrie etc.
My daughter and her husband watch that and emmerdale.When I spoke to them the other day they said they would update you.
If you do want updates let me know and I can arrange it for you.
Best regards-valvebounce