Global Warming? are humans to blame?

[Boston]

yup
its called the arctic oscillation and its a cyclical "weather" event.

If you average it all out, then you get "climate"

Good call Cat

[hoytedow]

We went camping up in the Florida panhandle this weekend. It dropped to 24 degrees, not Celsius but Fahrenheit. We released a lot of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in an effort to warm this small part of the globe. We failed. To avoid hypothermia we retreated to the LHB and turned the space heater on high, burning coal indirectly through the electrical wires.

[CatBuilder]

Brrr! What a cold front that was for camping! Wow!

[hoytedow]

We spent 2 wonderful nights at Florida Caverns State Park. I turned on my wipers this morning as we left the campsite and gave it a squirt of windshield fluid to clean it and the fluid froze on the glass, blocking my view of the road.

At the boat ramp, Chipola River on SR 166 just outside the park:

[Dushan]

Originally Posted by michael pierzga

I got snow covered Palm trees outback the boat. Newspaper reports the first time since 1956.
Very cold

You guys keep voting in the greens, keep making cars with lawn mower engines, and keep harping on how everything we do is bad. The result is snow, first time since 1956.

Is this really what you wanted? I say fire up he SUVs and keep us nice and cozy. Global warming couldn't come fast enough.

[Yobarnacle]

Global warming is a myth
Vote is believers 90, deniers 84

Back at post #1390 the votes were 88 to 80.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Global warming is a myth
Vote is believers 90, deniers 84

Back at post #1390 the votes were 88 to 80.

Back at post #1639 the votes were 88 to 84. Two voted between 6:56pm and 10:59pm.

1.8 million dead people are still on the active registered voters list. 2.7 million people are registered to vote in 2 states and over 2,000 voters are registered in at least 4 states.

Would any of you squirrels out there like to take a bite out of an ACORN?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49060

[Yobarnacle]

now it's 90 to 85.
When the voting is done, will it affect the climate?

[RayThackeray]

Your logic leaves a vast amount to be desired if you think that votes equal science.

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

Global warming is a myth
Vote is believers 90, deniers 84

Back at post #1390 the votes were 88 to 80.

[Yobarnacle]

Originally Posted by RayThackeray

Your logic leaves a vast amount to be desired if you think that votes equal science.

Obviously my question "does votes affect the climate" was tongue in cheek! It is illogical to think I meant it seriously!
There is far too much evidence that the data for global warming is flawed, slanted, and in some cases fraudulent.
The proponents of global warming all seem to believe fervently, in almost a fanatical religious dedication, that anyone not believing their philosophy is illogical or stupid.

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

The proponents of global warming all seem to believe fervently, in almost a fanatical religious dedication, that anyone not believing their philosophy is illogical or stupid.

And the fanatical deniers have a similar point of view.

[RayThackeray]

Since no evidence has been presented so far "the data for global warming is flawed, slanted, and in some cases fraudulent" that hasn't been thoroughly debunked, either you haven't been following it or your logic is still failing you.

Originally Posted by Yobarnacle

There is far too much evidence that the data for global warming is flawed, slanted, and in some cases fraudulent.
The proponents of global warming all seem to believe fervently, in almost a fanatical religious dedication, that anyone not believing their philosophy is illogical or stupid.

[Yobarnacle]

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present
alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major
businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” -
Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the
Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist
knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps
Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda
Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu
University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is
something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of
the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology
Department at the University of La Plata.

“Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate
may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former
Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha,
Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.

“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by
human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly
inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored
more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.

“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government
control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the
Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack
Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological
Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.

“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The
global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the
millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” -
Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at
the University of Colorado.

“I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone
man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data
refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G
LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s CSIRO. (The full
quotes of the scientists are later in this report)

I posted this back in post 1426
Simply ignoring these scientists or dismissing them, isn't debunking them. I give them more credence than I credit any member of this forum. Their credentials are superior.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by RayThackeray

Your logic leaves a vast amount to be desired if you think that votes equal science.

Someone here needs to grow a sense of humor.

[tugboat]

....unless people believe that there is no such thing as the second law of thermodynamics or conservation of mass- and that a system can destroy matter- but not recreate it somewhere else...if you think that these massive man made byproducts dont exist- if you think they do exist but cant possibly hurt anything--
if u believe detonating a hundred nukes in the atmosphere, water and earth, creating ten thousand years of effects-radiation etc. is "natural" or burning trillions of gallons of fuels -or burning coal, damming rivers, cigarette smoke(think of the trillions of cigarettes that are burnt over the course of the last 100 years too)! if u believe that there can be no cause and effect to those actions- that there are absolutely no consequences to doing any of this stuff--then yea its all natural...and we had nothing to do with climate change..