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Old 12-19-2011, 02:28 AM
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T'is a pity that politicians do not act on the last line of this poem

This may not appeal to everyone, but it's of its time. The ideas advanced in this poem explore the moment when one member of the conquering race is beginning to understand that while the Saxons may be less civilised, less powerful, and perhaps less sensitive than the Normans, they do, nevertheless, possess distinctive and useful qualities of their own which will not be suppressed.

Eventually differences between Norman and Saxon will disappear and be replaced by a distinctive ‘ English’ race. This is barely hinted at in ‘Norman and Saxon,’ though the Saxon qualities which are half-admired by the Norman baron are there to point the way forward.

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"My son," said the Norman Baron, "I am dying, and you will be heir
To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for share
When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little handful it is.
But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:–

"The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, 'This isn't fair dealing,' my son, leave the Saxon alone.

"You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your Picardy spears;
But don't try that game on the Saxon; you'll have the whole brood round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained serf in the field,
They'll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise, you will yield.

"But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs and songs.
Don't trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale of their wrongs.
Let them know that you know what they're saying; let them feel that you know what to say.
Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear 'em out if it takes you all day.

They'll drink every hour of the daylight and poach every hour of the dark.
It's the sport not the rabbits they're after (we've plenty of game in the park).
Don't hang them or cut off their fingers. That's wasteful as well as unkind,
For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man- at-arms you can find.

"Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and funerals and feasts.
Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests.
Say 'we,' 'us' and 'ours' when you're talking, instead of 'you fellows' and 'I.'
Don't ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell 'em a lie!"
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:37 AM
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My ancestors were englishmen, but neither norman nor saxon. the Sears, originally sikors were vikings that raided and settle in north England 1000 years ago. The Hubbards all descended from Hubba, a viking chief set himself up as a king in part of north England. They soon hung him, not a good king. The Johnsons from scandinavia too, and the Sioux , native americans. That's my bloodlines
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I knew some Hubbards in Johnson County, Kentucky.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:12 AM
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My dads mom, grandmas maiden name Hubbard
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:36 AM
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Yobarnacle,

Vikings were mostly Danes in NE England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw

When in 902 AD, the Irish violently expelled the Norwegians (Hiberno-Norse) from Dublin, the remnants tried to conquer NW England, but were ultimately unsuccessful. Before long "the din of war diminishes in relation to the more humdrum sound of former enemies making a living together."

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba103/feat1.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiberno-Norse

The history of Ireland during its Viking age is very worth reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland...ent_in_Ireland

In 1169 AD, the French speaking descendents of Vikings invaded Ireland after they had conquered England 103 years earlier. The Angevin Empire of Henry ll eventually stretched from from the borders of Spain to the borders of Scotland. What would the world look like today, if English kings could have held on to these territories?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He...net_Empire.png

The derivation of Sears from Sikors might not be quite what you believe it is, or perhaps some journeyed east. Who knows?

http://zespół-muzyczny.pl/

http://www.sikors-choppers.com/
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:45 AM
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Russian Sikorskys and polish Sikorski, Feel certain it was folks from same group. Apparently it wasn't a family name at first more like a tribe.
I read about sikors/sears in a book on english heraldry. I was looking up family coat of arms. Apparently some relative back then must of been handy with a sword. I prefer rifle.
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tribe-family-you might be redneck if your family tree only has a single branch.
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tribe-family-you might be redneck if your family tree only has a single branch.
That was just unkind!

http://maskin-82.linkpendium.com/gen...Sik/sur-Sikor/

http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/sikor.html
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Honey, if we get divorced, will I still be your sister?
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http://www.houseofnames.com/sears-family-crest
This link says sears was originally norman name serez. Arrived England 1016. There is always conflicting geneological data when you go back a thousand years. Unless you're chinese.
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