Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

[masalai]

Look at this http://www.usdebtclock.org/ - - - So to fix the situation, the rest of the world needs to take some drastic action, I cannot think of a reasonable solution as the numbers are impossible for the USA to reconcile based on full value recompense... I went to a counselling for the failed super wealthy and showed them the debt clock, and they nearly all went into convulsions, catatonic fits or just froze and drooled.... When they recovered using copious morphine shots into their drip feed bottles, were asked for solutions - - these represent a few of the repeatable ones

The sweetners first
* - - Give USA back all its cash / money / instruments it used to borrow money (Not needed by the rest of the world as it has NO value or NEGATIVE value
* - - Confiscate all tangible assets (You can keep some of them and sell them amongst yourselves) and you will pay rent to possess or use them... A poll or head tax will exist (no payment of tax -=- no need for your head)

You get confused about Socialism / Capitalism? well now you will know, to survive you will need to adopt socialistic internal management behaviour.... The rest of the world will have to adopt capitalistic methodologies and rip the economic guts out of you until the USA has repaid the debt it has inflicted on the rest of the world (LOOK again at your US National Debt Clock) Will 1000 years be long enough?

I don't think that will work either

[Senad]

I wandered in this forumlooking for boat info etc. I find a lot of politics. This forum caught my interest and forced me to read a few pages. It made me watch the movie zeitgeist as someone suggested and register just to say one thing.

I am from Bosnia, ex Jugoslavija. I belong to what you may know as Bosnian "muslims". But I am definitely not a religious person. Just identified as a "Muslim" as a matter of some "ethnic" differentiation. Well, what I want to say is that I saw that movie and I recognise many things to be horrifying truth that was inflicted upon my country. That country being Jugoslavija.

Only people who know nothing and, just as the movie says, watch only tv for their daily dose of "truth" can think that there is no plan by someone in the USA to control the world. They successfully divided and armed all sides in our conflict and made us kill each other to the point where we would rather be USA vazals than live with each other.

Do you know that Bosna and Hercegovina is now the biggest threat to the peace in the whole Europe? And do you know why? Because americans came and brought Al Qhaeda with them, gave us the arms, the money and these fanatics to "fight" our own european, white brothers Serbs and Croats. To extinction. When the war terminated, and I believe just temporarilly, the USA army generals ordered, yes ordered, Bosnian Muslim political "leaders" to accept and naturalise all surviving mujaheedins, all 2000 of them.

So, the a re now "Bosnians" and as such FREE to roam around the Europe free and unhindered, because "we" the real Bosnians have all the "sympathy" of the whole world for thesuffering we had to endure in this game led over our heads.

But, now that is returning back to burn the people who organised and approved that because now these mujaheedins are multiplying in theheart of Europe, and like rats mind you. They have 4 wives all, they lead contraband operations of arms and drugs, mobilising muslims aof all colours all over the Europe, and Bosnia is their european base.

Here is the really disturbing fact. All this is going on under the direct supervision of NATO, led by USA generals. So, they are preparing the next generation of mujaheedins who will from Bosna go on into the rest of Europe and kill millions more in the name of their religion, but really just act as puppets in the hands of someone up in the chain of command.

So, as I am looking at the game right here in front of my eyes, I can tell that the movie is telling the truth. Those that disagree should come here and try living here for a while, to see how the movie is unravelling on the ground.

USA army and government publicly ********ting and washing everybody's brains and quietly playing their divide and conquer game. All that over the dead bodies of people who like me have nothing to do with that country, or any other country in the west.

Why they had to destroy us? Why we had to pay the price of their world expansion? As the movie said, because we were on their way, in their "grand" plans we were an obstacle for some reason and they simply gave us arms and said go kill each other.

And we did. So will all of you one day. As the movie says, you will even ASK for it. Just as we did. We can see now, how stupid was that, but the hatred is now so high, we believe in no one, not even each other in our families.

And that is spreading through out the world rapidly. Even in the USA. These "patriotic" laws, for example, we in socialism had more freedom than they have in the uSA today. We have never had our personal freedoms limited, we were free. Even today we do not have such draconian laws.

Sorry for the long debate, but I read all your opinions and felt I needed to say that some opinions are misled, because what is going on on the other side of the world you only know fro your media. The truth no one is telling.

Sorry, no, Senad. You have been mislead by your own. I don't know where I could begin to dissuade you, but it is a fallacy to believe that you are an expert (or even that you get a more real "picture") by your proximity. Again, sorry for the poignant pictures you DO have but the politics behind them elude you.

[masalai]

Hello Senad & ccdiver, welcome to the "nuthouse" threads.... I expect some of the more rabid usanians will succeed in banning this thread one day (no free speech in America - if they do not like what you say)...

Your contributions and observations are welcomed, although I try to avoid "politics" per-se, as that seemed to be the reason the previous thread got deleted (intolerance of others views - even though they mostly came via publications from USA)...

- - Mark seems to be truly confused and in denial over something. He seems to float around somewhat of a lost soul angrily posting rubbish... (maybe he has other problems, as posts of pictures of guns, almost as a fetish?)

ccdiver, I am working along similar objectives see the links in my "signature area"

Most of the stuff I post is from USA analysis (NOT the mass-media for the brain dead masses), and I add some personal comment and observation derived from up to 4 hours selective reading a day...

[masalai]

This is a must read, I can only suggest your indulgence and acceptance http://financialsense.com/fsu/editor...2009/0808.html

From a link, http://www.traderview.com/tedbits/Ga...t-Aug06-09.pdf this extraction...

I have two significant timing points in the near term – August 6 and 7 and mid September. The mid September period may be quite significant. This reminds me of July of 2007 – my date was July 19th – everything converged on that one day. I was confident it was a top. My next period covered a few days in roughly the October 9-12 range. I assumed that would be a low. As the market unfolded after July, there was a sharp correction in August and then a strong rally back to new highs in October. As the October dates approached it became clear it would be a top. I have the same dilemma now and wouldn’t be surprised if something similar were to happen. I think the point to keep in mind is it was OK to miss the July 2007 call – you didn’t want to miss the October call. I think that may be the case currently as well. "Can we wear these rose colored glasses just a little bit longer?" That’s a good question. My guess is there is a correction that should happen about now. I would assume that once it is completed – probably a matter of a few days to a week – we get another move back up that is likely to set up a divergent top. Usually these strong momentum moves don’t end without a divergence.

It is important to remember that at this stage of the long wave cycle, there is a lot of corruption. We have seen this in government, in business (the Bernie Madoff scandal), and in every industry. It is just an unfortunate part of the cycle ... but it is there for a reason. The reason is to teach us (with a very hard lesson) to act right. Once we go through the next two stages of the cycle, specifically LIQUIDATION and CAPITULATION, we will learn some very hard lessons. We will hate corruption in all forms, we will hate liars (like politicians and Madoff), we will hate people who rip off the system, and we will also hate the real estate and stock markets. This will get our thinking back on the right track and bring in the proper mentality to build up the foundation for the next great cycle. We are at the end of a very long cycle. Transitions are tough ... transitions in long term cycles are really tough. So, pay attention to the cycle – it’s just NOT going to go away. If you know the cycle and particularly the Sequence of Events in the Cycle, you won’t be surprised nearly as often and most things that come up will be expectations rather than surprises. That’s a good thing.
We can’t change the cycle, but we can learn to live with it. In reality, we have no choice ... so, why not make it more comfortable?

Seeing a downturn coming is NOT negative (if your assumption is correct). It affords you the opportunity to plan for it. That way you may even be able to take advantage of it as opposed to having it take advantage of you. That’s positive, not negative. Seeing a bear market or crash coming is like seeing a Mack truck coming – wanting to avoid the collision is a positive move. Don’t get caught up in the labels!

A friend of mine sent me the following and I think it may sum up some of the things that occur in the cycle at this point. Goldman Sachs made more than $100 million in trading revenue on a record 46 separate days during the second quarter, or 71 percent of the time, breaking the previous high of 34 days in the prior three months.

Trading losses occurred on two days during April, May and June, down from eight in the first quarter, the New York-based bank said today in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The company made at least $50 million on 58 of the 65 trading days in the period, or 89 percent of the time.

Goldman Sachs, which was the biggest U.S. securities firm before converting to a bank last year, posted the biggest profit in its history during the second quarter as revenue from trading and equity underwriting reached all-time highs. The company, which has returned $10 billion to the U.S. Treasury and paid $1.42 billion in dividends and to cancel warrants, also made its largest market
bets during the period.

My friend made the following comments: So..........out of 65 trading days, they had 61 winning days - - 58 of them with profits over $50 million, and 46 of them with profits over $100 million. So on any given day, they had nearly a 95% chance of a profit - - pretty good odds, wouldn't you say? How about that! This is a shining example of Private/Public partnership. Too bad only a tiny handful of people actually make money from it, while the rest of us wind up holding the bag.


That performance can only be attributed to illegal "insider trading"


Garrett Jones closed with this:
IMPORTANT NOTE: It is my view that we are in a secular bear market from the 2000 peak in real terms. The October
2007 top was the secondary high for a few very important indices; therefore, the overwhelming risk is to the downside.
Typically, the setup is for a rally that draws investors back into the market because they assume that the Fed and the
Administration have taken the necessary measures to bring things back to normal. This market is very similar to 1930.
That rally was 52% before it collapsed. I consider the NASDAQ to be the lead market in this cycle. It has rallied over
50% so far. That rally took 110 days to complete. That would equate to August 12th which is just 3 days after my target
date. Is this a coincidence? I don’t know, but this may very well be the top of this rally. I do not believe this is a time
to take risk lightly. The “C” wave that follows this rally top will be relentless. This is not the time to wait to take action.
NOTE: THIS E-MAIL REPRESENTS THE VIEWS OF THE AUTHOR AND IS INTENDED FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. THERE IS
RISK OF LOSS IN ALL TYPES OF TRADING. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS.

[masalai]

The rest of the market talk is hardly worth repeating (effectively gone very quiet)... So as is usual, at such times, I get this feeling, something is about to eventuate, and I can only guess, so I won't....

[Boston]

welcome Senad
great to hear an informed view from the source
Obviously you know your own country and its troubles better than we could based on what our gov media tells us

stay tuned
and let me assure you
not all in America agree with what this government or military forces clandestine or otherwise are doing

[wardd]

and their profit would have been losses if aig hadnt been bailed out and they couldnt carry theit toxic assets at face value and of course if the gov hadnt said they were too big to fail who would be giving them their money so in the end its the tax payers that are underwriting their profits

[Landlubber]

" its the tax payers that are underwriting their profits"

soooo true mate, always have, always will......for every dollar made, someone had to loose it.......the rich get richer and the poor get poorer....could be the words to a song!

...in the mean time, in between time, ain't we got fun.

[Boston]

all to true
sad part is that its not your every last dollar that will satisfy them
its creating a hundred times your every last dollar
borrowing that into the system
and then claiming you owe it back to them

pretty neat trick eh
its called getting screwed
when Reorge did it ( to the tune of 1 trillion )
everybody screamed
when Obummer does it ( to the tune of 3 trillion )
every body cheers

one guy was clearly intellectually challenged
and played the corporate oligarchy's game
the other is clearly a snake oil salesman
and playes the corporate oligarchy's game

so
how is it again this is a democracy
and what exactly has changed
other than we're getting screwed faster than before

cheers
B

oh news flash
BBC today
I read an article about Colombian incursions into Venezuela
think about it
Chavez has been a thorn in the side of "democracy" since he took his first breath
why would Columbia a known US puppet state make foray's into its neighbors territory unless directed by the US
just when the US is involved in talks to open military bases in Columbia
hmmmmmm
seem a little fishy to anyone else

something tells me we couldnt take advantage of Venezuela through corporate financial manipulation
and its obvious the Jackals havn't been able to get to Chavez yet ( I kinda like the guy, hmm sometimes )
so now its the military option
all they need is an excuse
so lets sit back and watch em create one
should be enlightening to a few of our illustrious readers as to how things work in a ( corporate oligarchy ) "democracy"
course if you can see past a real time example and peruse a little history
you might quickly find yourself staring at the policies of manifest destiny
these days often referred to as genocide
kinda reminds me of a few lines I oft repeated

"with freedom and justice, for all"
seem hypocritical to anyone else
wasnt free from the word go
nor had justice anything to do with it

[masalai]

mark775, how typically arrogant, anal, wrong and self-righteous of a pronouncement in proclaiming comments by Senad to be incorrect.... go wash your mouth with soap - for shame....

[masrapido]

Powerful stuff. Made me watch the zeitgeist. I now understand better the desire to seek security in gold masalai. And look what I found from German Council on Foreign Relations: http://www.ip-global.org/archiv/2008...mujahedin.html

And google, not bosnian government, sells books on muslim fanatic organisations working in Bosnia openly, which has to be under approval of NATO and usa:

http://books.google.com/books?id=97C...Turabe&f=false

Scroll just a bit up to see the full list of Al_Qaeda branches in Bosnia, or read the whole book from the top.

But of course, there are some who know it all better because, hey, "we" are the only ones who know the truth. And those who tell the real truth are all bloody communists and liars anyway. Only what "we" say goes, and the rest of the retarded world must obey or "we'll" bomb their independent arses into oblivion.

No one can tell the truth except "us". "we" cannot have the people know the truth. Unless it is "our" truth.

Heil nazist forest gump.

It is sad that politics and economy are so tightly tied to each other, one cannot talk about the one without the other.

[masalai]

masrapido, excellent links, Pity a certain "usanian denia" will be unlikely to read or acknowledge some truth in your postulation relating to the first link, which I appreciate your efforts in digging it up....

How is the general South American economic position? any observations or interesting essays you may be able to post (in English please).... (I think most N Americans can read that

[masrapido]

Originally Posted by Boston

oh news flash
BBC today
I read an article about Colombian incursions into Venezuela
think about it
Chavez has been a thorn in the side of "democracy" since he took his first breath
why would Columbia a known US puppet state make foray's into its neighbors territory unless directed by the US
just when the US is involved in talks to open military bases in Columbia
hmmmmmm
seem a little fishy to anyone else

something tells me we couldnt take advantage of Venezuela through corporate financial manipulation
and its obvious the Jackals havn't been able to get to Chavez yet ( I kinda like the guy, hmm sometimes )
so now its the military option
all they need is an excuse
so lets sit back and watch em create one
should be enlightening to a few of our illustrious readers as to how things work in a ( corporate oligarchy ) "democracy"
course if you can see past a real time example and peruse a little history
you might quickly find yourself staring at the policies of manifest destiny
these days often referred to as genocide
kinda reminds me of a few lines I oft repeated

"with freedom and justice, for all"
seem hypocritical to anyone else
wasnt free from the word go
nor had justice anything to do with it

So true. Venezuela is also mentioned in zeitgeist as a target. Some seriously disturbed times are ahead. One can only hope that it will all come down, but as we see with Honduras, the usanian government is just not learning the lessons. They still think they are some kind of "superpower" that can screw around unpunished with human lives.

[masrapido]

Masalai, Chile is flying high despite the unemployment rising slightly. Copper is recovering quickly and China is buying everything, as per the 20 year contract with Chile, so locally the economy is fine. Unemployment is a panic reaction of the industry on bad news from the north, but the Ministry for Economy and Small Business is foreseeing strong recovery in the sector by the year's end.

Argentina is picking up. They are still breathing with just a nose out of the water, but it is a lot better than in 2002. The external debt is still the major obstacle to a recovery that their otherwise big and powerful industry should enjoy. Carlos Menem screwed them up bad, with guess what - marginal loans! - back then so badly, it will take some years before they return into a competitive state they should be.

They are still among the biggest beef producers in the world, but no one is buying it. Their regular buyers are themselves in deep with debts to the MMF so they have to buy from the usa and europeans to pay of some of these debts.

Bolivia is now the flavour of the year with all that lithium they walk on.