Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

[rasorinc]

Bos, when I landed in Tennessee on vacation my eyes started to bug me so I put some Visine drops in and they got real irritated. I thought is was smog or pool chemicals. Pool checked ou A-OK so I put in more Visine. got worse..

Finally I looked at the Visine bottle and it was 2 years out of date. Got a new bottle and the irritation went right away. Dumb me. Just info, Stan

[masalai]

Boston, how are you & your eyes? - I hope much better, all my best wishes to you...

Back into economics/economy, and the news is continuing bad http://financialsense.com/Market/wrapup.htm - - with maybe a glimmer of yellow on the horizon...

"Dead banks walking" - for pity's sake, put it down you cruel bastards... http://financialsense.com/fsu/editor...2009/0729.html

Is this the next/final rock and hard-place for USA and the west of the "western world" to endure? http://financialsense.com/fsu/editor...2009/0729.html

A Christian prophesy leading to Armageddon? http://financialsense.com/fsu/editor...2009/0729.html

and in closing for the day, do not forget the video at Financial Sense on the energy check put up on 27 Jul... Have a good day

Mas, your post was 55% after you said, "But I’m going on too long, as I often do."
You know, with much of what you say these days, I concur. When you don't rank on my country, as differentiated from "the government of my country", you're okay.

[masalai]

That was a copy&paste of one of my emails from Casey Research (I had no other way of linking), and felt it was worthy reading, and being one of the "free" ones felt could be presented as such with the suggestion and link to register yourself and get this or pay and get more, well worth while and not my research but that which can be bought...

I was always talking of Govt and "Big wheels" but sometimes berating the usanians (every reasonable person) for not doing something like forming "tea parties" and getting their congressmen to listen or loose the next election... and MAKE SURE EVERYONE VOTES for if you did not vote then you have no right to bitch - but you do have a responsibility to ensure your responsibility is taken seriously and vote next time and thereafter for EVERY ELECTION or be judged along with the self-interested, brain-dead-********s of politicians that got in because those citizens who could vote, did not vote...

The "intros" are my cheeky way to get some action as too many usanians seem to be asleep and not taking their political responsibilities seriously - In government you get what you deserve - do nothing and you get Jack-****...

One more I found on the US Housing market, likely more downside to come http://financialsense.com/fsu/editor...2009/0729.html

[Bamby]

How did you miss this one Mas?

Doug Casey on Mowing Down Green Shoots:
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCwc.php?e=true
This guy seems to agree with everything you've been saying all along. And I happen to agree also, this country is run by a bunch of conniving thieves.

[Boston]

eye still hurts
Im sure I scratched it and yup I got a new bottle of this stuff called Lacri-lube. Costs a fortune but sure makes the eye feel better
if its not better by tomorrow Ill have to make an appointment with an eye specialist.

The African model is a bad example of the tribal system
those folks have trouble organizing breakfast let alone governing themselves
take the Maori of New Zealand or the Iroquois systems as an example were accomplished members are expected to serve
course there are a bunch of Midwest tribal gov that are as corrupt as anything western civilization could hold up but thats whats happened lately they were not always like that

what I basically mean by the tribal system is one were older successful members of a society are expected to participate in governing the people and not one in which self appointed authority figures present themselves for election using every underhanded means at there disposal.
in the tribal system its an obligation for the most successful and respected folks to step up and use there knowledge
in both capitalism and communism its generally the worst most underhanded bastard that lands on top. Eliminate the campaign process and the corruption and make it an eligibility test for office

theory being that the most respected member of society is more likely to act in the better interest of that society than a self appointed figure head who trampled opponents on the way to the money

speaking of which there should be little or no money involved
just the honor of having served
kinda like the military or at least what the military should be
once again a tribal point of view
its an honor to serve and sacrifice when its your family and home on the line

call it what you will but thinking in a more family oriented manor is whats going to win the day in the end
cause this global economy is clearly not working out to well
whole countries sell there peoples labor to what amounts to the lowest bidder

on the lighter side steal is cheep these days
I just picked up several large beams to use for sandwiching some glue ups
its faster than a hundred clamps and turns out as straight as an arrow
stuff was about 0.450C/lb
I seem to remember paying a lot more that last time I did this

[masalai]

Bamby, I recall reading and feel sure I made comment - Oh well - as 3YO grandson says "missed it"

Boston some good ideas there - I remember when in local government, The elected position of Shire Councillor, was an honorary position, then they added some expenses, then other expenses, then huge salaries...

I was thinking of how to judge worthiness of the elder, which you partially answered - which leads back to voting.... Possibly each clan or roughly every 250 people nominated one as their leader and that group supported him (food and basics whilst doing community work) and if he did not perform soon would be starved out or get the message.... A meritorious person may be fit and capable of maintaining irrigation ditches, waste drains, predicting rain (for the seasonal planting) and so on...

[Frosty]

Allisair Darling took the big banks aside yesterday in London and shouted at them, ooooh he was cross.

He said "look you guys interest rates are .5%, why don't you reduce the price of a mortgage"

I saw a prog an telly last night advising people on how to refuse a credit card, --no not applying for one ---refusing it from the banks,--never mind the free T shirt she said, don't accept the 5000 dollars you have to pay it back you know?

Hmmmm things seemed to have changed a lot since I was borrowing money

Geeeez

[masalai]

Lots of funny money and ponzie schemes floating around most are taking the lead from the "Nigerian emails seeking your confidential assistance to relocate 500,000,000 pounds into your account all for a small percentage - "...we need the percentage up front as we have to bribe some people to do the transfer..." - that will be the last you hear from them unless they feel you have some more money and they could get that too

Lots more funny money will surface soon from everywhere - I am surprised the FED is not playing DIRECTLY with the "general public" too - - Why let the banks have all the fun - and cut out the middle man - Oops I nearly forgot, the FED is owned by the bankers.....

[Frosty]

Actually I dont like Darlings way of thinking> I quite like Brown but then again he thinks the way as Darling does when it comes to house prices. They want them to return to what they were,--why?

British people walk round quoting the price of thier house and how much it is worth. Well yes its worth a lot of money and /but is useless. The government charges stamp duty on it and the council charges on its ratable value.
Young married couples cant afford one --at all,-- even with both wages in the pot, This is a disgusting state of affairs and will bite you later when social problems for this obvious short fall is realized.

What country can call then selves civilised when you cant afford to buy a house without borrowing so much that it goes on to your kids when you die.

Where is this you say? Zimbabe,--no UK.

What ****** wishing house prices would return.

[Boston]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Allisair Darling took the big banks aside yesterday in London and shouted at them, ooooh he was cross.

He said "look you guys interest rates are .5%, why don't you reduce the price of a mortgage"

I saw a prog an telly last night advising people on how to refuse a credit card, --no not applying for one ---refusing it from the banks,--never mind the free T shirt she said, don't accept the 5000 dollars you have to pay it back you know?

Hmmmm things seemed to have changed a lot since I was borrowing money

Geeeez

good advice frosty
my credit rating is Zero
dont have one
never borrowed a dime
paid cash for everything I own
had credit cards before though one someone stole the number off a reciept or something and cleaned out my account
bank gave the money back but still charged me 35 for each overdraft and 7 a day
I think they overdrafted me 40 bucks a pop down to about -1500
and I was on vacation for a month when it happened so it was like 25 days of overdraft charges
I told em to stick it were the sun dont shine
took 20 years but I think it finally dropped off my credit and put me back to a zero rating
Im cured
Ill just save the money for the build till its all ready to go

I look at it this way
I could borrow the money and end up paying three times back
or
just save in the first place and end up getting cash discounts for most of the stuff I need
end up paying maybe 2/3 the actual cost in materials and no payments
all of a sudden that 100,000 boat costs about 60 rather than what 300,000 after payments

[Frosty]

You can only borrow money if you don't need it.

[masalai]

So, others should go to the loan arranger and declare same, then a loan will be assured

[masrapido]

Originally Posted by mark775

All is nicely revealed every time you open your damned mouth, Seabass. You're dumber than a fence post and I, for one, don't appreciate you stealing from your company by using it's computor instead of doing your job as a night watchman.
Boston, I know that you're big on the tribal thing, but how do you recommend we go forward from here? Even if one whittles the population down to say, on par with some African tribal areas, what happens - somebody steals somebody else's cow. Somebody cuts the culprit's head off. The tribe of the culprit, to avenge their lost honor, lops the head off of two of the other villagers, and so forth...
The American model is not much better unless tribes kept an uneasy truce enforced by distance. And, there are few examples in the history of the world more poignant in reminding of the need for organization and national defence.
...or the Central/South American model... violence escalates until power is concentrated. But there are still needs for sacrifices, right? The villagers eventually get used up until there is no more rain and the entire system fails in disease and starvation or simply with "ambiguity of deities".
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Only viewed aside does the reason for the confusion
become apparent. (Quetzalcoatl and Hernan Cortez)

A cheap nazist comment from a cheap nazi.

[Boston]

I also put the extra lumber up for sale and have had about twenty inquiries so far
given that I am selling off one third of it at three times what I paid and still offering it at a discount from what folks round here charge at the local yards, I should be able to keep the wood pile expanding till I have enough to get rolling on the build
that way I dont have to borrow a dime nor do I have to work with my own money