Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

[masalai]

She (God) may bless America , but I think That would exclude USA... Please feel comfortable festering in your own environment and refrain from polluting anywhere else with your arrogant and other antisocial attitudes - I hope you can enjoy yourself...

http://www.elliottwave.com/ezine/wee...ne_111409.html
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=277
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayGsd.php



Off track but relates to battery performance and electric motors - - something good and exciting for a change...
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/reviews.php#2007s
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/whitezombie.php

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Frosty

You don't say!!!, if you watch movies you would think so, forget the history books no one can read in the US anymore.

Example U571 movie, the enigma machine, your Hollywood shows that this was an American success. ******** this was the British but Hollywood twisted it as you tend to do. It does say so in the credits right at the end.

Was America the only country to take over Iraq, again you would think so.

There were many tens of countries went in.

note/ The British lost more men to the Americans that they did to Iraq with so called friendly fire.

Frosty,
Hollywood twists everything.

[Tcubed]

Mark only wanted us to know that he lives in Homer (would that be Homer Simpson or the place near Anchorage...?)
But i actually managed to find a picture of him!




I'm sure the US is mighty proud of having a devout supporter like him.

[masalai]

http://www.gata.org/node/8026 "Ed Stein political cartoons drawn from gold-related issues" - weekend entertainment
http://www.gata.org/node/8025 "Butler sees increasing shortage of silver, risk of exchange closing" - - I like that, - another potential "trigger for a collapse"...

[masalai]

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwor...ls_Market.html is interesting and amazing.... Traders are NUCKIN FUTS if they consider paper derivatives or ETF's as anything of value - - METAL in the hand, is the ONLY OPTION as there is nothing to back up your purchase otherwise...

http://www.usagold.com/op-ed/cartoons.html

STIMULUS PROGRAMS in USA - - (a copy&paste)... - - "Of the $150 billion spent in stimulus programs so far, that translates into an average expenditure of $230,000 per each of those 650,000 jobs saved and/or created. Alternatively, the government could have created three million jobs by simply paying 1.5 million workers $50,303 (which is the average annual household income) to dig ditches, and another 1.5 million workers similarly employed to shovel them all full again!" - - - -

So, begs the question "Who in the USA is not a frickin ********?"

[Frosty]

Over the last few years I have heard talk of the Us health care probs. I never gave it much thought until recently when it became obvious that the US does not have a health care,---at all.

England started in the 50's its free for every one .

I was quitely shocked when the reality was that America, the best-greatest country in the world did not have health support of any kind for its citizens. To A European that is a horrifying thought.

It occured to me that as Australia and uk have reciprocal agreements on health care --(ie I can walk into an Aussie hospital and have free treatment) that the Us would try to wriggle in on this and then we get the septics coming over for treatment.

Sorry I can trust the septics on ANYTHING anymore. Its Muslim way--to take advantage of friendship and other weaknesses.

[Tcubed]

More on the theme of peak gold-


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Thirdly, even though the story is out there it is unlikely, for a while, to get much media attention, and the vast majority of the world’s population will not either know of the predicament that is now approaching, nor understand why it is going to be something that will impact many aspects of their lives. Until, of course, it does.
And of course gold is only a pre-cursor of other minerals that will soon run short. Few folk realize the role that metals and minerals play in providing their lifestyle, and do not recognize that the value of many metals comes, in part, because there is nothing that can substitute as well for that particular metal in doing a particular job. Unfortunately, doing something about it requires vision for an industry that is not favorably viewed by much of the population. It will be interesting to see if that perception changes, or if the industry becomes the target of blame as shortages lead to even further cost increases.
And then, of course, will come oil . . . . .
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Read more;
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5960


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And peak everything-


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The world’s current energy regime is unsustainable. This is the recent, explicit conclusion of the International Energy Agency1, and it is also the substance of a wide and growing public consensus ranging across the political spectrum. One broad segment of this consensus is concerned about the climate and the other environmental impacts of society’s reliance on fossil fuels.The other is mainly troubled by questions regarding the security of future supplies of these fuels—which, as they deplete, are increasingly concentrated in only a few countries.
To say that our current energy regime is unsustainable means that it cannot continue and must therefore be replaced with something else.However, replacing the energy infrastructure of modern industrial societies will be no trivial matter. Decades have been spent building the current oil-coal-gas infrastructure, and trillions of dollars invested. Moreover, if the transition from current energy sources to alternatives is wrongly managed, the consequences could be severe: there is an undeniable connection between per-capita levels of energy consumption and economic well-being.2 A failure to supply sufficient energy, or energy of sufficient quality, could undermine the future welfare of humanity, while a failure to quickly make the transition away from fossil fuels could imperil the Earth’s vital ecosystems.
Nonetheless, it remains a commonly held assumption that alternative energy sources capable of substituting for conventional fossil fuels are readily available—whether fossil (tar sands or oil shale), nuclear, or a long list of renewables—and ready to come on-line in a bigger way. All that is necessary, according to this view, is to invest sufficiently in them, and life will go on essentially as it is.
But is this really the case?
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read more; http://www.postcarbon.org/report/443...-for-a-miracle

Or go straight to the full report by opening the attachment;

[Frosty]

Tcubed , I look at this as good news, necessity is the mother of invention. A closing door opens others. Its time we moved forward, get some electric cars on the road. We will do it when we have to.

The world has been ticking over since the war. We do not utilize things that we have now progressed in.

Through both world wars apart from the pointless loss of life the world moved forward in technology.

We have lived through plagues and diseases.

Human society is a tenacious bastard and wont be put down by a few mineral shortages.

[masalai]

True Frosty, and the brave new world will not likely resemble the rabid consumerism of the present... Which is GOOD and about time - Oh for a simpler life...

Podcasts for the reading handicapped (like me after a few too many liquid relaxants - beer or wine silly).... http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Gold.html - sit back, enjoy your favourite tipple, and listen....

[masalai]

I have been reading this more carefully - the essay near the end, entitled "Don’t Do It" http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=277 about 3/4 of the way down with a graphic below of a map of the region surrounding Afghanistan... It makes a very sound and logical case to withdraw, as persistence will see USA suffer, not only shame and embarrassment, but total defeat... It is an UN-WIN-ABLE and UNWELCOME occupation...

[Frosty]

Of course it is, un winable , Vietnam all over.

The Septics dont know how to fight a war, they destroy infrastructure, then they have to stay on to clean up a mess that gets worse, rape a few while they are at it.

I was one for going into Irag and still believe it was the thing to do at that time. The government should have been taken away and executed against a wall that same day instead of making a big fuss over it years later.

Had an election then walked away.

England was one of the most brutal colonizers of countries but look close they did'nt destroy the people, only the governments, hung em in the square.

Even the Germans in the 2nd world war had soldiers on street corners in France making SURE people went to work. The country was'nt annihilated like the septics do.

Social life continued, night life etc, perhaps in an effort to curb sabotage but what ever.

Look at the septics,-- bomb,crash, bang --hospitals , power stations, its no wonder the Iraqies wanted Sadam back.

[masalai]

Gees I seem to be asking lots of questions lately - - Are they soooooo stupid, arrogant and fixated on their own self importance that the powers that be in USA cannot see this, or the rest of the good citizens so struck dumb that they cannot rise up and express concern at the stupidity of senseless militaristic adventures?

[Bamby]

Mas,

Be kind enough to explain how the mare peasants can actually accomplish any needed and necessary corrections that need to be addressed. The peasants do not have the resources (money) that buys the access needed for your voice to be heard. Their are plenty of peasants that are highly upset and worked up about the state of things as they are now and have been going for quite a awhile. But short of an armed insurrection of the peasants against wall streeters and all the political powers that wall street owns, how are or can anything be accomplished. And I'm afraid that wouldn't accomplish anything either. The powers that caused this entire mess and profited enormously from the entire fiasco would be found hiding safe and sound behind all the protection the military could provide for them. It seems the only folks who would ultimately pay the price again would be the peasants. I'm open to any suggestions you may have on the matter, and I'm all ears. But it looks to me like us peasants have been fleeced and will continually be kept as such until their is nothing left of value to be had, then somehow they'll desire to somehow quietly and deceivingly lead them to slaughter.

[Frosty]

He's right mas, they are fked.

Forgive me bamby, I should not be answering a question you asked mass.

But did'nt you recently have an election in USA, is it 9 months?

Did you vote for an Islamic president? Perhaps you voted for the baby Bush who had never been out of USA and didnt have a passport, been arrested for drinking and driving and failed in every business he had, bells should have been ringing.

I like the "I did not have sex with Monica lewinsky" one, oh whats his name, you know the one with his trousers round his ankles and lived in big hotels around the world and still does on your account,--Clinton --thats it Bill Clinton, geeez.

And what was that one that could'nt talk without his wife at his side talking through the side of her mouth prompting the geratric ole thespian.

Its not his fault --you voted him in,--yes you.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Bamby

Mas,

Be kind enough to explain how the mare peasants can actually accomplish any needed and necessary corrections that need to be addressed. The peasants do not have the resources (money) that buys the access needed for your voice to be heard. Their are plenty of peasants that are highly upset and worked up about the state of things as they are now and have been going for quite a awhile. But short of an armed insurrection of the peasants against wall streeters and all the political powers that wall street owns, how are or can anything be accomplished. And I'm afraid that wouldn't accomplish anything either. The powers that caused this entire mess and profited enormously from the entire fiasco would be found hiding safe and sound behind all the protection the military could provide for them. It seems the only folks who would ultimately pay the price again would be the peasants. I'm open to any suggestions you may have on the matter, and I'm all ears. But it looks to me like us peasants have been fleeced and will continually be kept as such until their is nothing left of value to be had, then somehow they'll desire to somehow quietly and deceivingly lead them to slaughter.

Yeah, what Bamby said is right on. We are a lot of "Bambys" here, and very much in tune with his remarks. The Bernie Madoffs are clever sleazy sneaky lying sob's who have gone to intricate means to fleece us and fleece us they have done. Count Al Gore and Bill Clinton along with "Beloved Leader" among that group of nefarious chiselers, with no offense meant to people who work with wood and stone. My apologies to real weasels who have been maligned by being associated with Wall Street Shysters.