Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

Jeez -Shut up, already!

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Boston

please
the usa did not single handedly save the world
ok they produced a huge amount of war materials and got hugely wealthy doing it but it was predominantly the blood of others that was spent in winning WW2
all the arms in the world aren't going to be much good unless someone is willing to get shot for what they believe in

ever watch that movie Stalingrad
now those folks fought and died in droves

as was gone over before the american contribution to the ground war in ww2 was minimal and I think it was H who pointed out that the largest naval engagement of the pacific was a shipping war in which for the most part unarmed merchant marines were paying the highest price. A lot of different countries deserve the credit for defeating Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan not just the USA

its the one sided look at history that kinda amazes me mark

Neither Mark nor I said the USA won the war single-handedly, but without us it would have been a very different outcome. That is all I have to say on that subject. Spend more time reading history and less time trying to re-write it.

Must say, as much as I like Marks and Hoytes contribution on the other threads, here Boston was just dead right! And he did not poop in his own nest. He just left out the Hurraah Patriotism, too often found in "gods own country".

Originally Posted by Boston

please
the usa did not single handedly save the world
ok they produced a huge amount of war materials and got hugely wealthy doing it but it was predominantly the blood of others that was spent in winning WW2
all the arms in the world aren't going to be much good unless someone is willing to get shot for what they believe in

ever watch that movie Stalingrad
now those folks fought and died in droves

as was gone over before the american contribution to the ground war in ww2 was minimal and I think it was H who pointed out that the largest naval engagement of the pacific was a shipping war in which for the most part unarmed merchant marines were paying the highest price. A lot of different countries deserve the credit for defeating Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan not just the USA

its the one sided look at history that kinda amazes me mark

Thanks Boston.
Richard

[hoytedow]

God owns every country. He will judge us all on what we did to them.

[bntii]

Originally Posted by Boston

A lot of different countries deserve the credit for defeating Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan not just the USA.
...all the arms in the world aren't going to be much good unless someone is willing to get shot for what they believe in.

I would recommended some study of the period.
It might save you from making statements like the above.

Start by ranking the military deaths and injuries sustained by the allied nations.
Finish by asking yourself if just a single lost life would be not enough to claim sacrifice by any nation joining such a necessary conflict.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

God owns every country. He will judge us all on what we did to them.

Now we have really hit the bottom.

[masalai]

Christianity may well be the "false religion" as we practice it now, I would not like to claim to fight from "Gods side" - that is just far too arrogant and presumptuous... I feel the attitude that Boston presents is far nearer to "Godliness" than any I have heard so far, by a long country mile in a short race... and he lays NO CLAIM to being a Christian...

bntii, You better be very good, as I feel Boston is well versed and researched in academic methods and historical record analysis...

Frosty, Good to see you chiming in

http://www.elliottwave.com/ezine/ind...ne_111209.html
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=274
http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/
http://www.gata.org/node/8017 "Tungsten as a gold substitute" - - possibly a little more fraud than one may have expected? see http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1258049769.php "On Doing God’s Work", - - and then http://www.dollardaze.org/blog/?post_id=00742 "Tungsten as a Gold Substitute"...

[bntii]

Originally Posted by masalai

bntii, You better be very good, as I feel Boston is well versed and researched in academic methods and historical record analysis...

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Yes he is- so I am naturally surprised that he got nearly every point in his post wrong.

He will learn- we all do and will if the point is challenged.

I dearly wish we could all be just judged by our actions and done with it.
I don't believe it is nearly so simple as that.

[masalai]

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1258049769.php This may well be the **** that hits the fans and ends the financial power behind the USA...

READ and BE VERY SCARED....

DO NOT BLINK AT THE WRONG TIME...

[Frosty]

This is a theory of markets being manipulated. The report itself may be to manipulate the market.

When governments stamp phony bars of gold then the gold market will hit the floor,--an ideal time to buy especially if you know it not to be true.

It does'nt frighten me, I don't trust anyone.

[WestVanHan]

Originally Posted by mark775

Vancouverguy, You are representative of what has ruined our countries, you sponge. Liberal thought is antithema to the way of life that got you into that neighborhood. Shame on you. Fie on your beliefs.

I've never received any cash benefits from any government,unlike you.

Liberal thought?
All I did was state a FACT,and that FACT is that Alaskans get a WELFARE handout (nicely called a "royalty") of a few grand every year.

So who's the sponge???

[masalai]

http://www.moneymorning.com.au/
http://www.gata.org/node/8018 "Is HSBC evicting your gold or silver?"

[Tcubed]

No doubt you saw this already, but just in case.
(Peak Gold)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-runs-out.html

[masalai]

TTT thanks, That is rather startling news... The sort that rings loudly KA-CHING in my ears

[Boston]

Originally Posted by bntii

I would recommended some study of the period.
It might save you from making statements like the above.

Start by ranking the military deaths and injuries sustained by the allied nations.
Finish by asking yourself if just a single lost life would be not enough to claim sacrifice by any nation joining such a necessary conflict.

well I did spend about 7 years ( carrying an excellent grade point average I might add ) at various universities and the one thing that I did study consistently was my minor in history, and the history of warfare was definetly part of the curriculum. While any loss is a great loss the point was and remains that the USA is not the major combatant in WW2. You might be interested to find out I still spend a healthy share of time sitting in on history lectures at the university and always enjoy an informed conversation concerning the minutia of the past.

having given you the benifit of the doubt on this issue I checked
and my previous statement stands after checking multiple sources
US losses were minimal compared to many other countries in all regards except those previously stated

as per your suggestion I have listed the countries involved and there losses from a number of different methods of consideration

you are absolutely right that one death is one to many
but that was never in question ( being a parent I can assure you I firmly believe even one son or daughter is to many to loose )
but the context is that the us saved the world and thats just not so
as I said
all the arms in the world do no good at all if no one is willing to stand up and fight

let see if this chart will pop up in a coherent manor


basically what is clearly shows ( exactly as I suggested in my original ) is that countries like Iraq Thailand Spain Mongolia and South Africa are some of the few countries listed to have lost fewer people total than the USA per capita. as far as per total souls lost the story is not much different with countries like India having lost 4 million and the soviet union having lost 23 million China 10 million or french Indochina at 1 million. The USA did produce war goods and sell them under a number of programs at considerable profit in many cases to the various countries involved however they were not the major combatant. I do however need to go brush up on the lend lease program and its final pay out, I seem to remember the British were held to its tenants until about the 1970s at which point they had paid so much in interest that they had paid the debt about ten times over they successfully argued that the debt be forgiven, but I need to double check that as its been a long time since I followed that particular aspect of the conflict.

The casualties of World War II were suffered disproportionately by the various participants. This is especially true regarding civilian casualties. The following chart gives data on the casualties suffered by each country, along with population information to show the relative impact of losses.

Country Military deaths Civilian deaths Jewish Holocaust deaths Total deaths Total deaths/1,000 population
Albania 28,000 200 28,200 25.6
Australia 40,400 100 40,500 5.8
Austria 45,000 65,000 110,000 15.7
Belgium 12,100 52,000 24,000 88,100 10.5
Brazil 1,000 1,000 2,000 0.00
Bulgaria 22,000 22,000 3.5
Burma 60,000 60,000 3.4
Canada 45,300 45,300 4.0
China 3,000,000 7,000,000 10,000,000 18.9
Czechoslovakia 25,000 63,000 277,000 365,000 23.9
Denmark 1,300 1,800 100 3,200 .8
Estonia 40,000 1,000 41,000 37.3
Ethiopia 5,000 200,000 205,000 14.5
Finland 95,000 2,000 97,000 25.9
France 212,000 267,000 83,000 562,000 13.5
French Indo-China 1,000,000 1,000,000 40.7
Germany 5,500,000 1,840,000 160,000 7,500,000 108.2
Greece 20,000 209,000 71,000 300,000 41.7
Hungary 300,000 80,000 200,000 580,000 63.0
Iceland 200 200 1.3
India 87,000 1,500,000 1,587,000 4.1
Indonesia 4,000,000 4,000,000 56.7
Iran 200 200 0.0
Iraq 1,000 1,000 0.3
Italy 306,400 145,100 8,000 459,500 10.5
Japan 2,000,000 600,000 2,600,000 36.1
Korea 60,000 60,000 2.6
Latvia 147,000 80,000 227,000 113.5
Lithuania 212,000 141,000 353,000 141.2
Luxembourg 1,000 1,000 2,000 6.7
Malaya 100,000 100,000 18.2
Malta 1,500 1,500 5.0
Mexico
Mongolia 300 300 0.4
Netherlands 7,900 92,000 106,000 205,900 23.7
Newfoundland 1,000 100 1,100 3.7
New Zealand 11,900 11,900 7.4
Norway 3,000 5,800 700 9,500 3.3
Philippines 57,000 90,000 147,000 9.0
Pacific Islands 57,000 57,000 30.0
Poland 400,000 2,200,000 3,000,000 5,600,000 160.9
Portuguese Timor 55,000 55,000 110.0
Romania 316,000 56,000 469,000 841,000 42.3
Singapore 50,000 50,000 71.4
South Africa 11,900 11,900 1.2
Soviet Union 10,700,000 11,500,000 1,000,000 23,200,000 137.7
Spain 4,500 4,500 0.2
Thailand 5,000 0 5,000 0.3
United Kingdom 382,600 67,800 450,400 9.4
United States 407,300 11,200 418,500 3.2
Yugoslavia 446,000 514,000 67,000 1,027,000 66.7
Totals 24,456,100 32,326,600 5,754,000 62,536,700 31.8

if you have historical data to the contrary Ild like to see it
cheers
B