Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

[masrapido]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

You really believe we were after the rice paddies and poor people? Those bombs were aimed at the soldiers and equipment on the Ho Chi Minh trail.

Funny detail that sinks your argument is that they fought to defend their own country, attacked by usanian imperialist (nazist by default) armada.

Since the "brave" cannon fodder (poor from the usa who had to fight that nazist war for the dictators in power) was defeated, beaten up and thrown out of the country with their little dickies deep in their own arses to stop the spillage caused by fear, I am not surprised at all to see how bitter you are to all things red.

No wonder so many usanians have this paranoid fear of communists. Commies beat the **** out of them wherever they went to fight them.

But to call that muslim impostor Osama bin barrack a communist, that requires a lot of irrational hatred and a lot of holes in one's knowledge. Little muslie who wanna be christian and push social reforms of which he has no knowledge (afta all he IS a product of usanian educational system).

That is your regular usanian developing some, small and irrelevant, conscience. But in that system there, there cannot be such thing as convivancy of nazism and socialism. These two are antipodes to each other.

What shines in 1600 pensylvania street is a little mooncrest trying to screw a little cross. What bastard can come out of that marriage is left to reader's imagination to create.

But it is quite obvious...

[masrapido]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

I reject the term Native American as being divisive and meant to create a them vs. us mentality. We are both Americans. I don't call myself a Scottish-American, a Dutch-American, German or French American. I am just an American, like you are. Neither one of us picked our genetic makeup, but rather, we just happen to be what we are. Humans with shared likes on some things and differences of opinions on others.

I am American too. But you and I are from different countries. You are usanian, I am Chilean.

I have never heard of a French or Italian calling themselves European when you ask them what (where from) they are...

That lack of identity is the biggest complex europeans in the usa carry with them. The reason why they are killing tens of millions who dare to oppose them. Yet, they take the right to self-defence as a given.

Some really disturbing and strange logic coming from you people. Thre may be many good people in the usa, but there are very few who understand the level of usanian nazism and crimes AGAINST humanity committed under the banner of "freedom".

And, just like every addict, there's only denial coming from majority: "We didn't kill..."

usanians of course never used nuclear bomb in Japan. They just dropped two for a good measure. They never used depleted uranium in Iraq, they defended the people who now have to cope with the slow and unstoppable decay for the next 1000 (THOUSAND) years.

Or Serbians, who too have to cope with uranium radiation. usanian nazist war criminals threw several tonns on civilian population in Serbia during the war over Kosovo. What a way to spread the word of peace, understanding and cooperation!!!

I mean, **** that liberation.

And people who liberate you like that.

[masalai]

masrapido, - - - I have nothing much to add and I do not feel like repeating myself... Eventually the USAnians will wake up as to the stink of their country's global reputation - - but I feel it will take a little more than the total collapse of the US$ and their economy to achieve this in the minds of some of the retards who cannot see.... The trouble is that it taints others, undeserving of such, and, well I just hope the good are saved and the others feel the pain of being done to, - what their country has done to so many in the name of "freedom in the American (USA) way" - I think I would resist/fight to the death to avoid that fate....

[masrapido]

But it is a disturbing prospect. I do not see usa coming out of this crisis as a better place. All the crimsons are there and fighting hard to save their arses from drowning in their own excrement.

What do you think would tip the scale?

Pissant means small. Taxing is bad. Taxing for a tangible pollution output is good. CO2 is not pollution. Hitting us in the oil, particularly when we are in dire straits from too much government, is retarded.
Pet peeve of mine...let me share with you a little something about the money this state "gives"; BP, et. al., came to Alaska and asked if they could search for oil. The state said "sure" but it's gonna' cost you. They made an agreement. BP found oil - lots of oil. The state said, we didn't know that there was THAT much! We want more money! Those are windfall profits! We renig! Then the state TOOK money from the oil companies, invested it well and pays each resident a portion of the profits on the investment. THEY STOLE THIS MONEY. Now, Parnell is no Palin. He's not smart enough to encourage more drilling, more exploration, to make the state, the people, the Western World better off.
Frosty, sorry but you don't matter to me. To anybody that may think I am accepting Frosty's opines, "Am not".
Vancouverguy, You are representative of what has ruined our countries, you sponge. Liberal thought is antithema to the way of life that got you into that neighborhood. Shame on you. Fie on your beliefs.
Bos, don't put words in my mouth. "this great country" and "best country in the world" were never released by my lips. If you can find where I said it, I apologize because to someone like you, willing to appease other peoples at your home's expense, I just don't say things like that. I don't like to give you fuel. When it comes to discourse that matters, think of me the OPEC of considered thought.
Masenvy de Chile, Tripleturd, et. al.,..seriously, I do you a favor to try to educate you. None of what any of you think matters. What I think doesn't even matter in this forum, and I live in the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! (jus' for Bos)
As I write, more "pop-ups" (about what I think of your posts...)
We could have let Asia run over the southern hemisphere...
Depleted uranium is used because it is hard. If I had my druthers, two bombs (the second to demonstrate that the first was not a fluke) killing 150,000, or whatever, was much better than an invasion of Japan. By the way, Dorado and Mas, I am not prejudiced against you. I believe in gay rights - "Enola Gay" rights! Ignorant Chileans think having Pinochet was bad, try being ruled by the Japanese military machine - What if the US had lost to Japan? I can't wait to see the world scream when we DON't save it! Damn, I am sick of talking to you idiots.

[Boston]

ousting the corporate oligarchy and maybe a larger economic downturn
once the middle class has been humbled a little more then its going to be harder and harder to deny the truth of what has happened. The politicians really did sell out to the corporate giants. The war machine really was just a war for resources and had nothing to do with freedom, The financial system really is designed to concentrate the wealth at the absolute top and the well being of the people really was last on the list of considerations.

welcome to America
land of the free
home of the brave

fools

who let the wool be pulled over there eyes again and again

[Boston]

please
the usa did not single handedly save the world
ok they produced a huge amount of war materials and got hugely wealthy doing it but it was predominantly the blood of others that was spent in winning WW2
all the arms in the world aren't going to be much good unless someone is willing to get shot for what they believe in

ever watch that movie Stalingrad
now those folks fought and died in droves

as was gone over before the american contribution to the ground war in ww2 was minimal and I think it was H who pointed out that the largest naval engagement of the pacific was a shipping war in which for the most part unarmed merchant marines were paying the highest price. A lot of different countries deserve the credit for defeating Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan not just the USA

its the one sided look at history that kinda amazes me mark

[Frosty]

Mark what will it take? I mean where will US have to be before you say hey guys you were right, and,---what the f am I doing here, im waisting my time I cant help him no one can.

You've not offended me Mark and I would be surprised if a man such as yourself would even read my opinions, thank you.

But what you should be more concerned about is you are insulting your fellow Americans, I now they are not like you,--fortunately.

Thing is everything you say is not correct or over exaggerated anyway, what you Americans call Horse ****.

I shall sit back and watch the greatest country in the world fall down , I will think about you occasionally.

[Boston]

and some day I hope to roll into Thailand and buy you a beer mate
should be a good time assuming I can get my build across the ocean in one piece

[masrapido]

He reminds me of this toilet in this hotel in London my esposita and I are this week. I keep flushing and **** keeps floating back up...

[Boston]

well Mass looks like you got your wish the toilet conversation just moved to the economics page

ok
Im in
I was staying at the Colorado hotel in Glenwood springs for a few nights, on my way to Yellowstone with a friend.
We had just rolled in and naturally the girl went for the Lou straight away.
Moment or two later I heard a flush and a scream, got all my attention as I kinda liked that girl, at least at the time, and it kinda sounded like I had just lost her down the head.
She comes out with this bewildered look on her and says,
"holly f ing Christ you have got to check this thing out before someone gets hurt.
So I peer into "the room", nothing unusual as near as I can tell
" pull the lever and hang on to something" she says
hmmmm
ok
first dam turbo charged toilet I ever saw
thing sucked the air right out of the room and with a vengeance
I swear my ears popped cause of the change in air pressure and you could feel a rush of wind coming through the door and kinda feel the vortex created as it compressed itself into the bowl. Girls hair was even waving round a little

"you were sitting on that and pulled the trigger didn't you" I said
"yerp, and just about died" still with the bewildered look

bloody thing was a death trap
my bet is eventually some kid gets stuck in it and the paramedics end up breaking the pipes to release the suction

ok
you can have your thread back
B

[Boston]

and now for some financial news

Thailand, Korea, Russia Seen Buying U.S. Currency; Pressure on China to Boost Yuan

NOVEMBER 12, 2009
WALL ST JOURNAL

By JOANNA SLATER, WILLIAM MALLARD and BOB DAVIS

Governments around the world stepped up efforts to stem the U.S. dollar's slide, as officials grow increasingly concerned about the impact of the weak greenback on their nascent economic recoveries.

Thailand, South Korea, Russia and the Philippines have been snapping up dollars this week in order to hold down the value of their currencies, traders said Wednesday, as the U.S. currency wallowed near 15-month lows.

In Latin America, Brazil's finance minister said the country's currency remained too strong, sparking speculation that the government would intensify recent efforts to curb the real's ascent. On Tuesday, Taiwan banned foreign investors from parking time deposits in the country in an effort to ease upward pressure on the local currency.

The fresh buzz over the dollar's fall prompted Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, visiting Tokyo on Wednesday, to repeat the Obama administration's commitment to a strong dollar. Still, Washington hasn't taken any concrete steps to arrest the slide. The weaker dollar is actually benefiting the U.S. as it struggles to come out of recession by helping keep U.S. exports competitive.

China is coming under new pressure from Pacific Rim countries to let its dollar-linked currency rise in value. On Wednesday, China's central bank made a nod to concerns about the declining dollar and yuan by issuing a rare change to the official language of its exchange-rate policy. The central bank said it would take major currency trends into account in setting policy, though it wasn't clear what impact that may have on the yuan's future value.

The U.S. wants to see a stronger yuan, though Washington has avoided explicit public pressure on China to abandon its policy of managing its currency. But in the jargon of finance ministers, Mr. Geithner has made clear that's what he thinks should happen. In an op-ed piece in Thursday's Wall Street Journal Asia, he emphasized the advantages of "market oriented exchange rates in line with economic fundamentals."

On Wednesday, the dollar briefly sagged to a 15-month low against a basket of major currencies before recovering slightly. It fell slightly against the euro, which was quoted at $1.4982 at 4 p.m. in New York. So far this year, the dollar is down 7% against the European currency.

Asian finance ministers, now gathered in Singapore for a meeting of the 21-member Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, are expected to raise their concerns about both the dollar's decline and the inflexibility of the Chinese yuan.

The fear is two-fold. If currencies surge against the dollar, it damages the ability of countries in the region to compete in world markets, by making their exports more expensive. What's more, one of their major competitors -- China -- ties its currency to the dollar. As the yuan sinks in tandem with the dollar, China is able to keep its export prices low and price out competition.

A concluding statement from the assembled APEC officials is expected to underline the importance of flexible exchange rates to sustainable global growth -- generally viewed as code for a rise in the Chinese yuan. Such efforts are unlikely to bear fruit in the near term, which means these countries must act on their own to slow their currencies' rise.

Experts estimate that some of the largest emerging economies may have spent as much as $150 billion on currency intervention over the past two months, judging from the growth of their international reserves, according to data from Brown Brothers Harriman. While that's not a huge amount in the currency markets, which have turnover of more than $3 trillion a day, traders pay keen attention to what the authorities are doing and where they are likely to intervene.

Thailand alone has bought $15 billion trying to push the dollar higher against the baht, Korn Chatikavanij, Thailand's finance minister, said in an interview with Dow Jones Newswires.

"Quite clearly, all Asian central banks have found it necessary to intervene, and it's costing us," Mr. Korn said.

The Chinese authorities aren't going to tip off financial markets in advance of a move in their currency, said Jim O'Neill, head of global economic research at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. But the fact that they adjusted the phrasing of their exchange-rate policy in a quarterly report Wednesday could be a response to the growing attention to the yuan, particularly from fellow developing nations.

"It's one thing for the Chinese to ignore the U.S. and Europe," he said. "But when they start ignoring the developing G-20 it's a bit trickier."

For the last three years, the International Monetary Fund has been pressing China to revalue its currency. At the recent meeting of finance ministers from the Group of 20 nations in Scotland, the IMF once again said the yuan "remains significantly undervalued from a medium-term perspective."

Emerging nations are recovering from the global slump far faster than their developed counterparts and investors are flocking to buy their stocks and bonds. That in turn puts upward pressure on their currencies.

Efforts to stem the flow of foreign capital or to intervene in currency markets pose serious challenges for governments and aren't always successful. Unless a government takes radical steps, it can't affect a U-turn in its currency. However, it "can lean against the wind," says Win Thin, a currency strategist at Brown Brothers Harriman, in this case by slowing the pace of currency strengthening.

Developing nations aren't the only ones uncomfortable with the dollar's slide. European governments, especially Germany, will be increasingly uneasy if the euro continues to gain on the dollar.

Governments that try to check the rise of their currency often end up accumulating dollars which they may not need.

"I'm convinced that in the long term the dollar is more likely than not to decline in value, so we're building up assets that are declining in value over time," says Mr. Korn of Thailand. "That's not healthy."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125798819587744477.html

[hoytedow]

"Blessed are the peacemakers...."

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by masrapido

Funny detail that sinks your argument is that they fought to defend their own country, attacked by usanian imperialist (nazist by default) armada.........

But it is quite obvious...

The North Vietnamese were not in their own country, unless you consider Cambodia part of North Vietnam. They were trespassing.

[masalai]

mark775,
If you can only think that, then you are a sad excuse for a human and in a piteous state, urgently in need psychiatric help for a dangerous delusional state of mind, or need to refrain from such excessive bouts of self abuse (wanking)...

There seems just one thing for it, for the rest of the world to "grit their teeth" and discontinue supporting the US$ as that vacuum in NY economic everything will suck the rest of the would empty, - - just like the toilet in a room at the Colorado Hotel in Glenwood Springs USA - no desire to visit but would welcome sane members on my boat for a drink or three any time... In simpler words, TIME TO DUMP THE US$... as it cannot be done otherwise as USA is shown to be incapable of fixing their own problems and the rest of the world cannot afford to bail them out of their economic stupidity and abjectly piteous denial....

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayGsd.php "Everybody Knows That U.S. Gold Reserves Are Leased and Shorted" and the shorting is mostly naked as the gold has gone.... Except for the 22 carat stuff that was stolen from USA citizens during the last Depression (no one in the rest of the world wants a bar of that stolen property)...

Sadly, many good folk will feel the pain of the consequences of not fixing the problems sooner... - - - A complacent citizenry who failed to scare the politicians sufficiently to react, the fat-cats, bankers, bureaucrats & others who are reaping in the harvest of stolen assets, the corruption that pervades almost every 'nook and cranny' in the top end of business in USA and many levels lower down, that fail to function legally, justly and fairly, in a market that is almost as corrupt as the mind of many deniers...

It may take a major revolt or coup? as the dumbness/stupidity level in too many respondents is unable to accept or respond to subtle hints for moral repair to the system...

http://www.theenergyreport.com/pub/na_u/1201
http://www.theenergyreport.com/pub/na_u/1192
http://www.theenergyreport.com/cs/us...0?x-t=pub.view
http://www.theenergyreport.com/cs/us...1?x-t=pub.view

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