Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

And the world sat on their hands while Belgium was sacked. Twice.

As much as we all would like the US to keep its influence within its borders, Just as in the past, it is going to be too horrific to just watch.

[bntii]

Originally Posted by Boston

battle in the north sea
I dont remember much about that part of the war
I recall the U boat threat and how it was combated
and the massive loss of allied shipping
but the only major naval engagement of the pacific I think was some gigantic German battle ship
thing demolished the British Navy flag ship if I remember and went on to have its rudder disabled
making it an easy target for the RAF dive bombers
but thats about all I remember about anything in the pacific

My take- without the Lend Lease Act and the ability of the US to keep war materials flowing to GB, the war would have been lost. Keeping the sea supply to GB was critical. Without aid, GB would have fallen. Without GB- no western front. Lacking the diversion of German resources to combat the Allies on these fronts, and lacking the direct aid given to the Soviets in way of war materials (more Lend Lease), the Germans could have prevailed in the Soviet Union.

By the time we had entered the shooting war I believe it was a forgone conclusion that Germany would fall. Our support via lend lease has assured it. At this point it was just a matter of pouring water on the fire. There was plenty of water- we were supplying it. It was just going to take time- and lives.

That's why I am interested in the 'decisive' battle question. I do not specifically understand the really critical tipping points in the European theater. I believe I would weigh in for the Battle of the Atlantic- If we (the allies), had failed to keep the sea lanes open in the Atlantic, I think all would have been lost.

The ship you refer to is the Bismark- she destroyed the Hood (GB's flagship) in ship on ship battle in the Denmark Straights. By lucky chance she was sighted by a recon plane and received the damage to the rudder you mention- then destroyed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck

Decisive? Trusting Hitler when he signed treaties and said whatever anyone wanted to hear right up to and including guiding people into showers. This is happening now and the charismatic leader is Obama. He is prodding capitalism and freedom into showers.

[Bamby]

Come back from boating and see Mass'es thread turned into a history lesson, O well still makes good reading. Some seemed informed and theres one question of the period I've never been able to nail down. What exactly started and escalated the cold war. The biggest parties that spent money out of control trying to out militarize the other were allies throughout the war. If all that money building nukes that hopefully are never utilized were never spent in an arms war. We could all be living in an entirely different and maybe prosperous world. Does anyone know what distrust or event triggered the cold war?

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Knut Sand

Well, timespan here.... ?
Obama has been in action for 100 days? So how much of the downfall can be his responsibility?

"you sorry people who have had your hands inside our wallets "
ehhm well;

Could you pls define "you sorry people" and the location of "our wallets"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptzml1qQvZE

If you don't have your hand in my wallet, then the statement does not apply to you. The ones who do have their hands in our(usanian) wallets know who they are and no further explanation is necessary.

100 days? Where do you get that number?

[Boston]

ya it was the allies distrust of Stalin
they knew he was a ruthless bastard and when he failed to "liberate" but instead incorporated so many of the German held countries into the soviet nation the allies kinda over reacted
they formed Nato and that was the beginning of the cold war
basically
it solidified with Korea and went down hill from there

bntii
I think the battle for the Atlantic was mostly running the gauntlet of German subs
not sure but I just dont remember any big naval engagements in the Atlantic
merchant marine payed dearly but eventually got enough support from the us navy to devise tactics to at least defend themselves
but a large naval engagement
you will have to jog my memory on that one
I seem to remember nothing but convoy's

and yes
I think lend lease pretty much set the stage for allied victory over the axis powers
without it GB would have surely fallen
even so the air battle over British skies was stacked against the Germans
who still came out on top and only lost because of a few bad decisions by there psycho leader

Russia is a similar story
the Germans were completely unprepared for the savagery of the Russian defense of there land
and its as if they didnt know how plain old big the place was
the Russians just retreated sucking the Germans into the Russian winter
burn rape and pillage as they might the Russians held on and long before they received stuff from lend lease they were putting up a good fight
what can you say about a bunch of guys who fought in a line with the only guy who had a gun in front
when he got shot the next man would pick up the gun and keep fighting
now that's determination
and
that situation persisted throughout the war lend lease or not
they also had some form of punishment brigades that were sent forward to soak up bullets before that line of guys with one gun went in
not sure what they did wrong to end up being sent into battle without any weapons but I guess they would get shot no mater what directions they went

unbelievable

un bloody believable

the germans were never going to win in Russia
they didnt even have winter uniforms
there tanks froze solid were they were
and never restarted
the grease in there guns froze
and they froze by the thousands

[hoytedow]

Do you think the merchantmen who went down to u-boats didn't think they were in a huge battle? You belittle their heroism. It took great courage to board an ammunition ship headed into that maelstrom.

[bntii]

Battle of the Atlantic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...9%E2%80%931945)

"The Battle of the Atlantic was the longest continuous military campaign[2][3][4] of World War II, (though some say it was a series of naval military campaigns and offensives[5]) running from 1939 through to the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945, and was at its height from mid-1940 through to the end of 1943. The Battle of the Atlantic pitted U-boats and other warships of the German Navy (Kriegsmarine) against Allied convoys. The convoys, coming mainly from North America and the South Atlantic and going to the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union, were protected for the most part by the British and Canadian navies and air forces. These forces were aided by ships and aircraft of the United States from 13 September 1941.[6] The Germans were joined by submarines of the Italian Royal Navy (Regia Marina) after Italy entered the war on June 10, 1940."

"The name "Battle of the Atlantic", coined by Winston Churchill in 1941, covers a campaign that began on the first day of the European war and lasted for six years, involved thousands of ships and stretched over hundreds of miles of the vast ocean and seas in a succession of more than 100 convoy battles and perhaps 1,000 single-ship encounters. Tactical advantage switched back and forth over the six years as new weapons, tactics and counter-measures were developed by both sides. The British and their allies gradually gained the upper hand, driving the German surface raiders from the ocean by the end of 1942 and decisively defeating the U-boats in a series of convoy battles between March and May 1943. New German submarines arrived in 1945, but they were too late to affect the course of the war."

"The Germans failed to strangle the flow of strategic supplies to Britain, and that failure resulted in the massive build-up of troops and supplies needed for the Normandy landings. The defeat of the U-boat campaign was a necessary precursor for the re-supply of Britain, and the build-up of a huge concentration of Allied forces that helped ensure Germany's defeat."

"Victory was achieved at a huge cost: between 1939 and 1945, 3,500 Allied ships were sunk (gross tonnage 14.5 million) at a cost of 783 German U-boats."

Losses:
Allies Germans
30,248 merchant sailors 28,000 sailors
3,500 merchant vessels 783 submarines
175 warships

[masalai]

OK, Thanks for the "history" lessons all and sundry, could we return our collective attentions to economics and matters fiscal? (what is happening now, who is up whom, and who is paying the rent, for the present and near future?)

http://www.gata.org/node/7896 "Ted Butler: Cut silver position limits down to 1,500 contracts" That is the start of being a bit more sensible, and THE SAME FOR GOLD... and bloody well enforce it with summary execution....

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=247 "Into the VAT" and lots more


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[hoytedow]

Without strong, sovereign navies, sea piracy would run rampant, destroying the economies of not only yachties but every country that depends upon its merchant fleet to export its produce and raw materials and to import the produce and raw material which it lacks.

GO NAVY!

[masalai]

Well call the NAVY out. - - as the pirates seem to be operating with total freedom in NY and several other major centres in USA and London, GB... and elsewhere.... Not very effective are they???

[hoytedow]

Cheerio.
Must leave for work. Have a nice day.

[masalai]

Aarrrrrgh me hearties, the only pirates they be after, be them sailing the "Black Perl" Aaahrrrrggghhh...

Well another sad attempt at returning to the thread?? No bloody news from the "pirates of the good **** NY" - - which suggests that there may be a plottin' and a plannin' below decks... This begs the question, What next - - - - 'tis the ides of March in October, or, is it Guy Faux getting in early with his plot to blow up "authority"

What is happening in USA??? normally I get 20 subscription emails and the "Financial Sense" site is full of essays GATA has no commentary is USA still there it id far tooooo quiet on the western front (West of Grenwich)... it is just approaching 5:00 pm in NY??? Helloooooo, any one awake/alive???

[hoytedow]

Arrgh, at least Pirate Madoff be anchored in the brig, and I don't mean a boat.