Europe more dangerouse than USA? (gunshots vs terror threat)

[Milan]

Terror definition, gray area, indeed.

In practice, it seems that it depends more of who are the shooters and what's the target. If they shoot at us, they are terrorists, (in recent years even if they are shooting at our armed forces occupying their country, not only civilians).

On the other side, if they choose to shoot at those that we don’t like, chance is big they will qualify for a “freedom fighter”, or at least, we will look other way.

Consider Afghanistan – same people, using same methods, we called freedom fighters in the eighties. These days we call them terrorists, religious fanatics, bastards and worse.

The only thing that changed is that instead at the Russians, they are shooting at us now.

When we kill “their” civilians, it can’t be terrorism, it is a “collateral damage”, even if we kill millions.

[Vulkyn]

Originally Posted by Raggi_Thor

What if that innocent civilian is a little girl in Gaza, just for example?

This applies to Christian, Muslims, Jewish and any other human being.

I condemn what the Palestinians do to civilians, they have a right to fight for their freedom, but they have no right killing civilians.
After all its a 2 way street and the bloodshed will never end like this.

Labels are not the issue, its the action tbh.
Any person who is capable of shooting another person that is not a fighter (and knowing it !!!) is a twisted man and is a terrorist in heart, doesnt matter what rank, religion, faith, belief, ideas he might carry its bloodshed and cold blooded murder, plain and simple

[Raggi_Thor]

So true.

The most serious terrorist act in NOrway after WWII (when "we" blow up bridges and factories etc) is the "Lillehammer affair" when Mossad agents killed an innocentMoroccan waiter, mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, the leader of the Black September Organization..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

The only other one I can recall was when a publisher was almost killed after publishing Salmans Rusdie's "satanic verses"(?)

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Raggi_Thor

So true.

The most serious terrorist act in NOrway after WWII (when "we" blow up bridges and factories etc) is the "Lillehammer affair" when Mossad agents killed an innocentMoroccan waiter, mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, the leader of the Black September Organization..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

The only other one I can recall was when a publisher was almost killed after publishing Salmans Rusdie's "satanic verses"(?)

When they come for you, request a sharp knife.

[Raggi_Thor]

Mossad agents normally uses nice looking small handguns I believe

[wardd]

chile has been called an european country that failed

[Raggi_Thor]

And Canada is more European than EU.

[wardd]

proud to be killed by an american gun

"What if that innocent civilian is a little girl in Gaza, just for example?" - The Israelis are fighting for their lives. You make me sick in your smugness. What a vile creature you are.

[wardd]

the palistinians were there first

[lewisboats]

All I will say is that area of the world has had soooo many peoples inhabit it that I doubt you would be able to trace the early human "tribe" that originally moved into the area. In the land game...possession is 9/10ths until the stronger moves in and takes it away... then the next comes and does the same. Humans have been doing this for millenia...probably won't stop either.

Originally Posted by wardd

the palistinians were there first

Sorry But I dont see that on the Map.

Why would they call it "JUDAEA"

[wardd]

most people assume the current day palistinians came lately to the place

the current palistinians and native jews belong to the same ethnic group, semites

it's the european jews that came after ww2 that are to late commers

one in 5 isreali citizens is a palistinian moslem and isreal has control of the west bank and gaza with a population approaching isreal itself and increasing

in a while isreal is going to be in the untenable position of having control of a population larger than it's own

seems like a recipe for disaster to me

"Untenable"? We had better offer them all of the support we can muster. I know I will. The Jews have dealt with the aggressors with kid gloves. I wud use bigger weapons and make them pay every time they fire a rocket. The 'tards of the left already hate the Jews - what is to be gained by continued restrained responses? The Palistinians will stop firing rockets? A terrorist will get a stupid Nobel Peace Prize? http://palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_...afat_nobel.php

[wardd]

if only the world worked the way we want, things would be so simple
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