Climate Change Conspiracy (off-topic split)

[masrapido]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

Lies by communists if repeated often enough will be believed.

Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
Joseph Stalin

Print is the sharpest and the strongest weapon of our party.
Joseph Stalin

When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.
Joseph Stalin

A lie told often enough becomes truth.
Vladimir Lenin.

Companero, it was Goebels. The burgermeister of nazist propaganda machine, the same one that was used as a model for usanian government propaganda machine.

And he said: Repat a lie hundred times and it will become the truth.

Lenin was an intellectual and a honest person.

Roosevelt, on the other hand, Truman, Reagan, Bush younger, or Nixon, just to name a few...?

One liar after another. usanian governments are full of these. Look at Obama's cabinet. Hillary, Biden...I should probably try to list the honest people in it. The list will be MUCH shorter.

Even Obama has a history of lies, corruption and deceipt.

And now you too. Where did you get those quotes from, anyway? DO give us your sources. (admittedly, Stalin was a dictator piece of **** - how come you do not like him, along with other dictators you like - and he may have said those things. But I would love to see the original source.

You are not to be believed...

: )

[dskira]

We can all say "My country is better than yours, or your country is worth than mine", but at the end of the day here in the US we have a FORUM, who let us disagree about everything and anything.
If some like it or not, its call DEMOCRACY.
Pepsi Cola or not we all here can express our opinion because of the freedom we have.
And the beauty of that is: You have the right to HATE it and blast it.
Some people in some country do not have this luxury.
As for South America, they make their bed, they sleep on it. If they have nightmare, the best is to drink a cup of hot milk with honey before going to sleep, inset of ingesting gallons of Pepsi Cola which nobody ordered them to drink.
As for W.W.II of course we win. And it will be nice to respect that, in name of the family who suffers lost in these terrible times.
If the German are what they are now, democratic and liberal, it is because of us the US.
As for Italy, they have democracy all right, but they still in the same **** they like so much.
It is a day of peace today, so who ever you are, and where ever you are.
God bless you ALL
Daniel

[troy2000]

OK, Mas is completely out there. He not only thinks we claim to have won World War II singlehandedly (not true); he thinks Pearl Harbor was Roosevelt's doing.

Apparently, he thinks our textbooks are like those written by the murdering Stalinists he loves so much. Or the textbooks used by the Palestinians, who teach their children that Jerusalem is an ancient Arab that the Jews had nothing to do with.

Mas, you're spewing so much garbage it would take several books to refute your warped view of the world and your twisted history. Every time I make a point, you spout pages of nonsense in return.

Some people are so simpleminded they need a Satan to blame everything on. The old-fashioned ones use a literal one; it's Lucifer who somehow convinces or forces people to sin, instead of them being responsible for their own evil doings.

Other simpletons nlame capitalism, socialism, communism, secular humanism, or some other 'ism.' Then there's Mas--who just blames every evil committed by anyone all over the world on the USA.

I suppose that as long as people like Mas hate us, it's proof we're doing something right....

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Boston

anyone ever read Noam Chomsky's Managua lectures

cause in a nut shell Masrapido has hit the nail on the head, the US has made a game out of destabilizing govornments it does not believe are conducive to its business interests down there regardless of how good or bad the gov might be to the people.

its basic history kids

cheers
B

So, Boston, have you soaked your head lately? I highly recommend it. May Noam Chomsky rot in Hell.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

You were doing fine; then you got carried away.

Goebbels was a Nazi. And in spite of what Glenn Beck scribbles on his little chalkboard, Nazis are not socialists.

Nazis are National Socialists. Nationalsozialisten

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by masrapido

Caballero,

Do point out all the crap there, that is exactly what I asked for in the previous message. I do not understand what is stopping you...?

There's absolutely no disagreement that "our" politicians are the part of the problem.

Whoever said to the contrary?

I didn't. That is exactly what I said too, maybe not as directly as you, but if you read less emotionally, you will have to agree that we AGREE on that completely.

The thing here, probably the reason for your apparent "disagreement" is the FACT that the Latin American corrupt politicians are the wrong-wing politicians. One greater arse-licker than the other (arses being yankis arses, claro).

The levels of corruption in government of Chile since the restoration of democracy has never been lower.

Do I HAVE TO point out that for most part of those 20+ years socialists were in power? But even when they were not, the government was clean. Corruption in Chile is a lot lower than corruption in the usa.

So, go patronise someone else. Your country is FAR WORSE than mine in that respect. That would allow me to give you a lecture or two, but I won't.

Also, you call my statement about Menem ******** ( what's with the BS? we all know what does it mean. just write honestly what you think. I see it just fine as long as you are NOT directing it at people who you are debating with, unless they start first. mark's-brigade is rule-confirming exeption). And then go on to claim the real ********. That that loser actually "saved" Argentina...

And how did he do that, when Argentina just about defaulted under his government, and everything was privatised, sold away to foreigners and majority of their once powerful industry is now still lying idle?

Who on earth told you that absolute imperialist ****?

The fact is that when Menem lost the elections, after ten years in power, Argentina was in absolute disarray. Where exactly did he "save" anything?

You know better than him himself? When he re-tried few years back to get himself elected again, he himself ADMITTED that the errrors have been done and he claimed that he can repair the damage. That was enough to swing 80% of voters AGAINST him. Because, unlike you, Argentinians know exactly how "much" did he do to "save" them.

Go read this from some other Latin Americans, who disagree with that BullShiit you were told (Menem was a saviour...)

http://uniondelbarrio.org/lvp/newspa...eb03/pg02.html

A teasing preview:

Neoliberalism and Argentina
Under the corrupt neoliberal regimes of 1983 to 2001 the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank praised Argentina as a “model of development” - one of three countries in Latin America serving as examples of what would come to be known as “neoliberalism”. Economic policies in Argentina imposed austerity measures on the people, cut spending on public services, and national industry was turned over to foreign capitalists.

By the end of his presidency Carlos Menem had privatized what was left of the state-owned economic sector: airlines, water, electricity, oil and telecommunications. Billions of dollars in loans were poured into the country and went straight into the pockets of top government officials. This corruption continued enriching a large sector of corrupt politicians. By the time Menem left the country the economy was in ruins, with 40% of the population living in poverty and a national debt of $130 billion. In 1999 unemployment and poverty reached an all time high.

Hell yes, many, too many in fact, of "our" politicians were, and still are, corrupt. Who is disagreeing with that? Me? Not really.

But please do note that these mothersuckers are all from the "neoliberal-capitalist" side of the politics.

There are few, too few to speak of, leftist politicians that have succumbed to corruption. You may recognise that, thanks to the usa, they were ruthlesly persecuted and killed whenever possible. So, it is kind of hard to be corrupted when the rulers are on your tail with a machete.

Get some eduction on OUR (as in Latin America) continent, and in particular Argentina:

http://www.coha.org/argentina%E2%80%...ice-corruption

What is sad is that even moderate usanians like yourself are victims of usanian nazism and brainwash. And you THINK that you know what went in OUR countries because YOUR 'media" of mas deception (information) told you what should you think.

And try not to twist my words please. I did not say that usa "lost" the WWII. That is a complete misinterpretation of my clear words: usanians BELIEVE that they are the ones who WON the WWII.

I also said you didn't. That in no galaxy would imply that you have "lost".

For once in your history usa was on the right side. Once only.

But, in typical anglosaxon arrogance and complex of greatness, usanians think that they somehow won it.

How did you join, by the way?

By president himself lying and sacrifying thousands of his own people in Pearl Harbour to force public opinion into accepting the war.

*****.

A good politician would have come up with better way to talk to his constituency about the world war.

Not usanians. And your presidents did that many times afterwards. Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Jugoslavia...Always through lies and unnecessary lives sacrified to brainwash the ordinary people into war hysteria.

So, in short, it's time for you people to stop twisting the historical facts and accept that your role was never THAT big as you were told when it comes to doing good things. But when it comes to doing evil stuff, now that is where usa is on the top.

Better yet, insted being told what I say is ********, how about demant it? How about offering the counter arguments?

If y0u are right, it should be a breeze proving me wrong.

Let us start here:

Pepsi and CIA armed and finaced Pinochet to install military dictatorship.

Then, how about CIA did the same in Guatemala.

Then, let us go to Brazil. Tell me how wrong I am to believe the historical facts and why.

Or, pick one of my ********s on your own and dissect it to atoms.

I am ready.

OK, so we buy stuff from people who want to sell it, and we sell stuff to people who want to buy it, and you have a problem with that, so you are against freedom and want everyone to work for free, which means you are for slavery.

A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
Groucho Marx

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by masrapido

Companero, it was Goebels. The burgermeister of nazist propaganda machine, the same one that was used as a model for usanian government propaganda machine.

And he said: Repat a lie hundred times and it will become the truth.

Lenin was an intellectual and a honest person.

Roosevelt, on the other hand, Truman, Reagan, Bush younger, or Nixon, just to name a few...?

One liar after another. usanian governments are full of these. Look at Obama's cabinet. Hillary, Biden...I should probably try to list the honest people in it. The list will be MUCH shorter.

Even Obama has a history of lies, corruption and deceipt.

And now you too. Where did you get those quotes from, anyway? DO give us your sources. (admittedly, Stalin was a dictator piece of **** - how come you do not like him, along with other dictators you like - and he may have said those things. But I would love to see the original source.

You are not to be believed...

: )

That's hilarious. You list a roster of American leftists who I either voted against or couldn't because I wasn't born yet(I did vote for Reagan, Nixon and Bush mainly because they ran against people who were far worse for America) and hold them up as unbelievable. At least you have enough sense not to believe them. Most of the expansionism and Indian Wars were started by Democrats, by the way.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

Nazis are National Socialists. Nationalsozialisten

Baloney. Back in the thirties, socialism was the popular political catchphrase of the day. Calling a murderous, racist, xenophobic, expansionist political party the National Socialist German Workers’ Party didn't magically turn it into a socialist party, any more than North Korea calling itself The Democratic People's Republic of Korea magically turns it into a democracy or a republic.

It is impossible to have any sort of rational discussion with someone who doesn't know the difference between a socialist and a Nazi. You wind up with nonsense like Obama being called another Hitler. In your own little way, you're as blindly dogmatic as Mas.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Baloney. Back in the thirties, socialism was the popular political catchphrase of the day. Calling a murderous, racist, xenophobic, expansionist political party the National Socialist German Workers’ Party didn't magically turn it into a socialist party, any more than North Korea calling itself The Democratic People's Republic of Korea magically turns it into a democracy or a republic.

It is impossible to have any sort of rational discussion with someone who doesn't know the difference between a socialist and a Nazi. You wind up with nonsense like Obama being called another Hitler. In your own little way, you're as blindly dogmatic as Mas.

Malarkey. The Nazi's named themselves. Look it up for yourself unless all your sources have been purged of the truth.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

Malarkey. The Nazi's named themselves. Look it up for yourself unless all your sources have been purged of the truth.

So what? The North Koreans named themselves, too. That doesn't mean they're telling the truth, and neither were the Nazis.

I repeat: words and names are not magic; they can't transform people into something they're not. Stop being an idiot, and claiming that just because someone calls themselves something that's what they are.

And I also repeat: if you're so appallingly ignorant you honestly believe Nazis and socialists are the same thing, it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you about politics or economics--you don't have the necessary basic education or vocabulary. You're a disgrace to your high school civics teacher....