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[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Zed

Ever heard of IFF Troy? They kinda didn't have it in WWII....

Sorties a day, I don't know... but the RAAF where there and they obviously could work their IFF gear properly cause they didn't shoot your lot!

Anyway genius argue the point... your country has a serious corruption problem!

For that matter the whole Iraq war was a damn corruption, talk about false pretenses the lying SOB's.

You can piss off on your whining about friendly fire. I seriously doubt the results would have been any better had the Aussies been in charge, after comparing their historical record with that of the Americans.

But you may be surprised to hear that I agree with you on the invasion of Iraq. Completely trumped up; completely unnecessary. And a horrendous distraction from the genuine problems we were facing. Had we taken the money and manpower wasted in Iraq, and invested it into stabilizing Afghanistan and countering terrorist organizations world-wide, the world would be a better place for it.

Fortunately, the idiot who pushed through the invasion of Iraq is gone...although his successor still has to deal with the aftermath.

[Zed]

Of all the things you can pick on Australia for we have one of the most professional forces in the world, so no I really doubt we would handle things anything like you did. Regardless that is my point... if we had killed a bunch of Canadians in Iraq I'd be apologizing about it, not defending it, it is indefensible IMO but like I said before often its not the SNAFU's its the attitude.

They tell me that more missiles have been fired since Obama than before, I find that hard to believe but...?! What has changed, really, we are still stuck in places we have no business being. Its no wonder we cop flak from the Muslim world, its not our lifestyle they hate its our meddling! Let them squabble out their own fights, we will never get interventions of that nature right. I do wish I could say you but alas its 'we'.... that is an issue we have with our fearless weeders!

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Fortunately, the idiot who pushed through the invasion of Iraq is gone...

Don't want to roll again? It could be a case of third time lucky with Jeb.

[Zed]

Awwwww crap NO!

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Zed

Of all the things you can pick on Australia for we have one of the most professional forces in the world, so no I really doubt we would handle things anything like you did. Regardless that is my point... if we had killed a bunch of Canadians in Iraq I'd be apologizing about it, not defending it, it is indefensible IMO but like I said before often its not the SNAFU's its the attitude.

They tell me that more missiles have been fired since Obama than before, I find that hard to believe but...?! What has changed, really, we are still stuck in places we have no business being. Its no wonder we cop flak from the Muslim world, its not our lifestyle they hate its our meddling! Let them squabble out their own fights, we will never get interventions of that nature right. I do wish I could say you but alas its 'we'.... that is an issue we have with our fearless weeders!

So why isn't your 'professional force' busy straightening out all the problems in the world, instead of leaving it to the clumsy Americans? Maybe because it's easier to sit on your arses and bitch about how someone else is doing the job, than it is to stand up and do it yourselves?

I have no problem with Muslims 'squabbling out their own fights.' But only a damned fool or a Muslim fanatic would even intimate that such a thing gives terrorists carte blanc to kill Americans...or Australians. Are you so cravenly willing to suck up to the people who want to kill you that you'll pretend the Bali bombings were just a political statement?

[masalai]

Because, unlike you we do not go when we are not invited / asked... That then gives us the privilege of calling you a 'dick-head' (in the friendliest possible way), for asking for our support when you get it all wrong ... again...

"You can piss off on your whining about friendly fire." means he lost the argument, but is too arrogant, self opinionated and, full of himself to apologise...

[Zed]

Originally Posted by troy2000

So why isn't your 'professional force' busy straightening out all the problems in the world, instead of leaving it to the clumsy Americans? Maybe because it's easier to sit on your arses and bitch about how someone else is doing the job, than it is to stand up and do it yourselves?

Well, even if we wanted to, which I would find abhorrent and in no way would I be justifying, there is a small issue of size. Our total population amounts to a little more than New York. All things considered we punch above our weight but not that far above....LOL! To be honest we get involved in far to much crap because uncle Sam and Grand Mother Windsor think its a good idea... which it isn't... so roll on the republic is all I can say! We are far to influenced by the US and England, it is annoying that we don't give more flak on these issues like the Kiwi's do... but there you have it... thats a sad fact IMO.

[Dave Gudeman]

No offense to Troy who is just sticking up for his country, but there is a lot more corruption in the US than most Americans know about. To a large extent this is because the American news media and entertainment industry are so closely linked with the corrupt politicians.

Did you know that the US congress currently has about six serving members who were caught in corruption? None of them has been successfully prosecuted, but there are videos and sufficient evidence for the voters to know that they are corrupt. But the media protects them because they are all Democrats.

There are several instances of Obama using the power of his office to reward political supporters, saving union pensions with federal money, dropping charges against men who were already convicted but not yet sentenced, helping tax cheats avoid fines and prison, firing IGs who are investigating Obama's cronies and various other things. If a Republican had done these things, it would be leading the news every day until he was impeached. But a Democrat does it and, meh, no big story.

By the way, I'm not a Republican and I don't mean to imply that Republicans are never corrupt, but I can see the differences clearly enough. When a Republican gets caught in corruption, the press howls about it endlessly, the party establishment runs for cover, and the Republican voters demand that he resign and/or go to jail. That's the way it should work. When a Democrat gets caught in corruption the press ignores it, the party establishment defends him and he usually gets reelected.

Sure, in America, if a cop pulls you over, you are more likely to get in trouble for trying to slip him a twenty than for not trying to slip him one. But that's because all of the corruption is payed for by tax money and distributed in the form of "grants" and no-bid contracts and made-up jobs, outrageous pay and benefits for government workers and various other legal-but-corrupt devices for extracting money from regular citizens and passing it to the politically-connected.

[gonzo]

Hey Troy: name the two professions of the ancestors of Masalai.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I'm raising the BS flag here. If you honestly think the US is more corrupt than the other countries out there, you're so ignorant and biased it's almost cute.

I don't claim the US is perfect. And because we're large and we're powerful, everything we do has consequences...some of them deliberate, some unintended. But we aren't to blame for all the ills in the world; it was an effed-up place untold generations before we ever arrived on the scene. And in spite of all the whining, we aren't responsible for single-handedly fixing the ills in the world, either. There are about 192 countries out there who need to stop blaming the US for all their internal and external problems, and start work on fixing them instead.

Here's the truth: we happen to be the biggest dog on the block. That means we get blamed for every tipped garbage can up and down the street, even if we were napping on the porch at the time. We get the blame when Iceland's amateurish investment policies backfire. We get blamed when a Jew kills an Arab, and when an Arab kills a Jew. We get blamed every time a Sunni blows up a Shi'a mosque, and every time a Shi'ite blows up a Sunni mosque. We get blamed for the corruption in Russia and China. We get blamed whenever any of a dozen South American economies goes in the toilet from greed, incompetence and corruption.

Hell, we even got blamed for the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake, and the resulting tsunamis.

And if you believe Confessions of an Economic Hitman is an accurate, factual work, I'm going to have to tell my local bookstores to start rearranging their fiction, non-fiction and fantasy sections in case you ever come visit.

The current regime is one of the most corrupt since the teapot dome scandal. Our ship of state is floating in a sea of bs.

[gonzo]

It is cute that there is always someone claiming this is the "most corrupt", "the good old times", "we used to respect elders", etc.
Can someone make a BS-Fantasyland equivalence converter?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

The current regime is one of the most corrupt since the teapot dome scandal. Our ship of state is floating in a sea of bs.

That is complete and utter nonsense. The Obama administration is no more crooked than Bush's bunch was. It's bad enough when ignorant people outside the country say such things; it's downright sad when you start sounding just like them, simply because the Republicans lost the last election.

[gonzo]

I think the problem is that the BSO meter overloaded and burnt. This thread self-destroyed.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas

Don't want to roll again? It could be a case of third time lucky with Jeb.

Although I voted for all 3 Bushes I say No more Bushes. We need people who are not globalists, who will value the sanctity of our borders and who will not sign unconstitutional bills into law.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by gonzo

It is cute that there is always someone claiming this is the "most corrupt", "the good old times", "we used to respect elders", etc.
Can someone make a BS-Fantasyland equivalence converter?

Sorry, wasn't trying to be cute. Look who was on the receiving end of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac money slush. Compare those amounts to money exchanging hands in Teapot Dome(adjust for inflation) and get back to me.