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[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Zed

Ever heard of IFF Troy? They kinda didn't have it in WWII....

Sorties a day, I don't know... but the RAAF where there and they obviously could work their IFF gear properly cause they didn't shoot your lot!

Anyway genius argue the point... your country has a serious corruption problem!

For that matter the whole Iraq war was a damn corruption, talk about false pretenses the lying SOB's.

Yeah....the RAAF "was there." You sent a grand total of 14 Hornets who flew sorties. You also sent a couple of P-3 Orions for patrols, and three C-130's for transport.

Even if it's true that your 14 Hornets never hit the wrong target, it's nothing to particularly crow about...given their small number relative to the number of American aircraft involved.

Why were they there, by the way? Why did your government send 2,000 troops to join in the invasion of Iraq?

[hoytedow]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...7397-2000Mar18

"Gore arrived at Harvard with an impressive 1355 SAT score, 625 verbal and 730 math, compared with Bush's 1206 total from 566 verbal and 640 math. In his sophomore year at Harvard, Gore's grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush's transcript from Yale. That was the year Gore's classmates remember him spending a notable amount of time in the Dunster House basement lounge shooting pool, watching television, eating hamburgers and occasionally smoking marijuana. His grades temporarily reflected his mildly experimental mood, and alarmed his parents. He received one D, one C-minus, two C's, two C-pluses and one B-minus, an effort that placed him in the lower fifth of the class for the second year in a row."

Please note that Bush did no worse than Gore who some of you thing is the best thing since sliced bread.

[gonzo]

You mean that in adjusted dollars is more than during the Robber Barons era? I have to turn on my meter before doing research

[hoytedow]

Robber Barons is such a harsh term.

[gonzo]

Are you worried the Rotschilds, Vanderbilts and Morgans may have their feelings hurt? I should go back to PC school

[hoytedow]

No, I was kidding. And don't forget about Barnum and Bailey. They made a killing too.

[gonzo]

No wonder my BSO meter jumped off the scale.

[hoytedow]

You need a justjoshing filter.

[gonzo]

I have one but it is not calibrated well.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Dave Gudeman

No offense to Troy who is just sticking up for his country, but there is a lot more corruption in the US than most Americans know about. To a large extent this is because the American news media and entertainment industry are so closely linked with the corrupt politicians.

Did you know that the US congress currently has about six serving members who were caught in corruption? None of them has been successfully prosecuted, but there are videos and sufficient evidence for the voters to know that they are corrupt. But the media protects them because they are all Democrats.

There are several instances of Obama using the power of his office to reward political supporters, saving union pensions with federal money, dropping charges against men who were already convicted but not yet sentenced, helping tax cheats avoid fines and prison, firing IGs who are investigating Obama's cronies and various other things. If a Republican had done these things, it would be leading the news every day until he was impeached. But a Democrat does it and, meh, no big story.

By the way, I'm not a Republican and I don't mean to imply that Republicans are never corrupt, but I can see the differences clearly enough. When a Republican gets caught in corruption, the press howls about it endlessly, the party establishment runs for cover, and the Republican voters demand that he resign and/or go to jail. That's the way it should work. When a Democrat gets caught in corruption the press ignores it, the party establishment defends him and he usually gets reelected.

Sure, in America, if a cop pulls you over, you are more likely to get in trouble for trying to slip him a twenty than for not trying to slip him one. But that's because all of the corruption is payed for by tax money and distributed in the form of "grants" and no-bid contracts and made-up jobs, outrageous pay and benefits for government workers and various other legal-but-corrupt devices for extracting money from regular citizens and passing it to the politically-connected.

Again, you're spouting partisan nonsense. Regardless of what you call yourself, you sound like a Republican to me.

Republicans thrive on portraying themselves as a persecuted minority. They kept up a steady yowling about it even when they had control of the White House and both Houses of Congress.

You're saying Bush never rewarded anyone with an appointment? How about good old 'Heck of a job Brownie,' who was put in charge of FEMA even though he had zero experience in disaster management? That certainly worked out well, didn't it? How about the Admiral's daughter he put in charge of ICE?

Despite your claims to the contrary, it isn't the media who tries politicians for corruption; it's the courts. And it's ridiculous to claim that only Republicans get prosecuted. Here's a list of Democratic Congressmen who have been convicted and sentenced for one thing or another since 1978:

Charles Diggs Jr.
Michael Myers
John Murphy
Frank Thompson
John Jenrette
Raymond Lederer
Mario Biaggi
Mel Reynolds
Rep. Walter Tucker III
Dan Rostenkowski
James Trafficant

If it was right for Bush to start saving automobile manufacturers and banks, it's right to save union pension funds also. Or do just big businesses deserve to be bailed out? However, I know of no cases where the government has actually bailed out a union pension fund since Obama became President. Can you tell me when and where and who?

How could Obama "drop charges" against someone who was already convicted? That doesn't even make sense. Again: when, where and who?

Obama has fired a grand total of one inspector general--and it wasn't while he was 'investigating Obama's cronies.' It was because he overstepped the bounds of his job after one of his investigations, and "sought to act as the investigator, advocate, judge, jury and town crier." That's a quote from the Republican, Bush-appointed Attorney General who was handling the case in California.

You're damn right I'm sticking up for my country. Maybe you should do the same, or at least refrain from posting false or misleading statements about its leaders and government on an international forum.

[hoytedow]

Originally Posted by Dave Gudeman

No offense to Troy who is just sticking up for his country, but there is a lot more corruption in the US than most Americans know about. To a large extent this is because the American news media and entertainment industry are so closely linked with the corrupt politicians.

Did you know that the US congress currently has about six serving members who were caught in corruption? None of them has been successfully prosecuted, but there are videos and sufficient evidence for the voters to know that they are corrupt. But the media protects them because they are all Democrats.

There are several instances of Obama using the power of his office to reward political supporters, saving union pensions with federal money, dropping charges against men who were already convicted but not yet sentenced, helping tax cheats avoid fines and prison, firing IGs who are investigating Obama's cronies and various other things. If a Republican had done these things, it would be leading the news every day until he was impeached. But a Democrat does it and, meh, no big story.

By the way, I'm not a Republican and I don't mean to imply that Republicans are never corrupt, but I can see the differences clearly enough. When a Republican gets caught in corruption, the press howls about it endlessly, the party establishment runs for cover, and the Republican voters demand that he resign and/or go to jail. That's the way it should work. When a Democrat gets caught in corruption the press ignores it, the party establishment defends him and he usually gets reelected.

Sure, in America, if a cop pulls you over, you are more likely to get in trouble for trying to slip him a twenty than for not trying to slip him one. But that's because all of the corruption is payed for by tax money and distributed in the form of "grants" and no-bid contracts and made-up jobs, outrageous pay and benefits for government workers and various other legal-but-corrupt devices for extracting money from regular citizens and passing it to the politically-connected.

My Son-in-Law is a cop who goes out every day to uphold law and order. If he ends up getting shot, God forbid, it is highly unlikely that the shooter would have been a Republican.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by hoytedow

My Son-in-Law is a cop who goes out every day to uphold law and order. If he ends up getting shot, God forbid, it is highly unlikely that the shooter would have been a Republican.

It is highly unlikely that the shooter would have been registered to vote, period. Your average cop killer isn't normally all that much into politics.

However, I must say that was an incredibly offensive statement. I'm a registered Democrat. And if I ever shoot your son-in-law it'll be because he had it coming, not because he was doing his job.

Sounds like you might be one of those people who carry on about being old-fashioned Americans who love their country...but seem to hate everyone and everything in it.

[hoytedow]

[quote=troy2000;340753]It is highly unlikely that the shooter would have been registered to vote, period. Your average cop killer isn't normally all that much into politics.

Did I say the shooter would be a Democrat? He could just as easily be an independant, or more likely, a Marxist. Marxists love shooting people. They hold the world's record for shooting people, for God's sake. Please don't jump to conclusions.

[hoytedow]

Of course, many people who are Marxist have registered as Democrats. Obummer being one of them.

[troy2000]

[quote=hoytedow;340761]

Originally Posted by troy2000

It is highly unlikely that the shooter would have been registered to vote, period. Your average cop killer isn't normally all that much into politics.

Did I say the shooter would be a Democrat? He could just as easily be an independant, or more likely, a Marxist. Marxists love shooting people. They hold the world's record for shooting people, for God's sake. Please don't jump to conclusions.

I think it was quite clear who you were thinking of...and it wasn't Marxists.